Smithscript Dagger

[Q1]

I just cannot make this thing work even with proper builds, perhaps because I've never tried it on less than NG+ but that shouldn't matter, I work with less than optimal weapons and function so this shouldn't be a problem.

I even thought I'd cracked it because I took out the Caelid bridge dragon, consistent head shots and bleed infusions, but then of course the comparatively easy tree avatar right down the road is immune to bleed so it took an age to beat.

I tried it with the usual "later game" NG+ suspects, Mogh, Godfrey, etc, and it was just a mess, and DLC? Yeaaaaah.

And yes I was using good trinkets and proper stats.

So maybe I'm doing it wrong or maybe this weapon is just not workable as a main weapon?

[Don Lobo]

If it does at least 1 point of damage, it is "workable" as a main weapon. Whether you want to use it or not is up to you. Absolutely everything will be killable with it, as it is with everything else, even naked fists. Is just not gonna be broken OP like plenty of people seem to think a build is supposed to be.

If you've really worked with less-than-optimal weapons before, you know there's no one size fits all kinda deal in this game. At best you have one size fits most with the right build.

[LuckyCheshire]

The Smithscript Dagger is underwhelming, I agree. You can get a lot more use out of it via AoWs though, some of those can bring the damage levels up to fairly tolerable levels. Still not my first choice of weapon though.

[Q1]

It's a shame really because it is a fun concept for a weapon and it is fun to play with but if you're good enough to dodge roll later game / dlc bosses and wear them down regardless of you're using then I guess it doesn't matter per se but it's still a feels bad to play.

[Artek [General]]

From what i understood - its unique gimmick is that its a throwable (read: ranged) weapon.
Ranged weapons are infamously weak in FromSoft games, with exception of magic because apparently the difference between a ranged attack that kills and one that tickles is the 20 FP cost.

Bows, crossbow, throwing daggers, etc are simply not meant to be a "proper" weapon. They are first and foremost an utility tool to provide tactical flexibility like shooting out of reach targets, pulling aggros, or finishing off that last 1 HP from a safe position. NOT to actually battle a target with for real. You CAN. But you probably shouldn't.
Hell, it even weights only 1.5. This is a reliable sign that this is not a "real" weapon. Such things are always utility items unless its a seal or a staff which are then used to cast 50 INT spells that cost 70 FP.

[Q1]

Bows and throwing knives are something else entirely, having much greater range and serving the function of utility as you said.

Now i'm not saying the smithscript dagger ought be up there in the top tier of weapons, but it doesn't have to be such a feels bad to use. It's range is not such that it gets a huge advantage that has to be offset, I think that's more of it's attack speed, you can R2-R1 spam really quick with it which is why it can function as a status build weapon.

[Artek [General]]

Originally posted by Q1:

Bows and throwing knives are something else entirely, having much greater range and serving the function of utility as you said.

Now i'm not saying the smithscript dagger ought be up there in the top tier of weapons, but it doesn't have to be such a feels bad to use. It's range is not such that it gets a huge advantage that has to be offset, I think that's more of it's attack speed, you can R2-R1 spam really quick with it which is why it can function as a status build weapon.

Well, then it just falls into the same weapon type as daggers. Your average Dagger is just not a weapon capable of dealing damage unless its a critical (and if Murky Hand Scythe taught me anything - is that there's a good reason for that), so status effects it is.
Proc your poison / bleed / cold or whatever and then switch to a real weapon to get the job done.

[☬ Crow ☬]

Originally posted by Q1:

I just cannot make this thing work even with proper builds, perhaps because I've never tried it on less than NG+ but that shouldn't matter, I work with less than optimal weapons and function so this shouldn't be a problem.

I even thought I'd cracked it because I took out the Caelid bridge dragon, consistent head shots and bleed infusions, but then of course the comparatively easy tree avatar right down the road is immune to bleed so it took an age to beat.

I tried it with the usual "later game" NG+ suspects, Mogh, Godfrey, etc, and it was just a mess, and DLC? Yeaaaaah.

And yes I was using good trinkets and proper stats.

So maybe I'm doing it wrong or maybe this weapon is just not workable as a main weapon?

It produces a status effect from a distance. You can bleed proc or cause frostbite.. from a distance.. It doesn't have to be a main weapon to be effective. It's great for finishing opponents when you had them almost bled or with a few hp left as they are running to flask. It's actually quite good when used this way.

[Hitiburinval]

I've made a build consisting of those daggers, never tried it out on pve however in pvp it seems like the likely place where it shines despite it dealing 1/3rd of dagger dmg, but for my build I would go poison infusion and rely on getting poison procs mostly because poison build up without putting anything into arcane has better build up than bleed, and by extension using poison you can use the Flowers Bloom Twice ash to pop it dealing dmg that cannot be brushed off. Never did this exact set-up but theoretically it would multiply the dmg by almost triple... Mushroom Crown / Gravebird's Blackquill Armor / Rakshasa's Gauntlets / Divine Bird Warrior's Greaves / Dagger Talisman / Claw Talisman / Spear Talisman / Shard of Alexander OR Kindred of Rot's Exultation OR Smithing Talisman / +25 Poison Smithscript Throwing Daggers WITH The Poison Flower Blooms Twice ash. You can obviously use buffs, personally for me buffs are just a waste of resources.

[Hitiburinval]

Truly though.... it is the definition of a literal side-arm

Also also, as a meme you should try making a build surrounding using those daggers with aspect of the crucible wings it is comical seeing the only daggers in Elden Ring having access to it

[APTEMOH4UK]

Originally posted by Hitiburinval:

+25 Poison Smithscript Throwing Daggers WITH The Poison Flower Blooms Twice ash

I met a bug, I suppose.
For some reason I can't upgrade the dagger anymore.

I even checked my other character, who used to have +25 dagger - however, it is now just the basic one. With aow and infusions, but the basic +0 version.

Even when i downloaded a mod, that allows you to buy any already upgraded object in the game, I can buy only the basic version of this dagger.

[ɸ It That Dwells ɸ]

The weapon is hot garbage. If you like playing Dark Souls like it's Monster Hunter, and every single enemy individually are monsters, then I encourage you. Otherwise I wouldn't even look at the thing. Really disappointing, the concept seems fun.