guard counters and pierce damage

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is it possible to get the extra damage you get from pierce damage, while using a guard counter?

[Lord Bob]

I'm pretty sure you do. Just the other day I watched a vid of some guy who got bonkers damage with the proper talisman setup.

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especially since counter damage always occurs whenever you hit an enemy that is at the end of an animation, like when it's attacking.

[Fineous🔥]

Originally posted by Lord Bob:

I'm pretty sure you do. Just the other day I watched a vid of some guy who got bonkers damage with the proper talisman setup.

edit:
especially since counter damage always occurs whenever you hit an enemy that is at the end of an animation, like when it's attacking.

This and lets remember that not all the pierce damage comes from spears. This monster

https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Fallingstar+Beast

Does pierce damage but of course with a colossal attack animation (no shield poke).

[Lord Bob]

Now I need to add something to my previous post:

What I described earlier is definitely they way it worked in the other souls titles.
However, there is some indication that counter damage is unique to the pierce damage subtype in Elden Ring. At least according to the Spear Talisman:

A talisman depicting a spear and a soldier.
Enhances the counterattacks that are unique to thrusting weapons.

The fextra wiki seems to confirm this, it's fextra so it might be prone to errors.

Or am I missing or just confusing something here? Is it just unique to thrusting weapons? Does the talisman only enhance counter damage caused by thrusting weapons? But why is pierce damage not mentioned a single time?

I feel like something got lost in translation with his one.

[Angel]

yep saw it on a youtube video

[𝑀𝓊𝑔𝑒𝓃]

As long as it's pierce damage and the enemy is mid attack animation you will get that extra damage , equip the spear talisman to see even bigger results , not just restricted to poking weapons , the rusted anchor also benefits

[Lord Bob]

Originally posted by 𝑀𝓊𝑔𝑒𝓃:

As long as it's pierce damage and the enemy is mid attack animation you will get that extra damage , equip the spear talisman to see even bigger results , not just restricted to poking weapons , the rusted anchor also benefits

So it seems there indeed is some kind of mistranslation (or whatever else caused it) when it applies to piercing damage in general and not just thrusting weapons.

Thanks for the heads up

[𝑀𝓊𝑔𝑒𝓃]

Remember that the extra pierce damage also applies to the player , whenever we are mid attack animation our pierce defence goes down happens with enemies too , one of the reasons why poking weapons are so dominant in pvp , combine that with the spear talisman and you can bait hatemail from players , i just got blocked yesterday for using counter damage with the pata lol

Originally posted by Lord Bob:

Originally posted by 𝑀𝓊𝑔𝑒𝓃:

As long as it's pierce damage and the enemy is mid attack animation you will get that extra damage , equip the spear talisman to see even bigger results , not just restricted to poking weapons , the rusted anchor also benefits

So it seems there indeed is some kind of mistranslation (or whatever else caused it) when it applies to piercing damage in general and not just thrusting weapons.

Thanks for the heads up

No problem , hope i was somewhat useful