How are you meant to fight Gaius without cheese?

[Kalvix]

Honestly curious, I'm trying with a 2h strength build and my god on horseback he'll knock you off then kill you before you stand up SUPER fast so on Torrent is obviously not the way to go. But on foot he'll spam attacks so often you're lucky to ever get an opening where he won't half hp you as a follow up.

Honestly there have been some questionable bosses I've fought, but finally got by learning patterns a bit more, but this guy honestly I'm making 0 progress as it feels like theres nothing to learn, he just spams crap so much you can't react without very specific builds.

[Fenix]

I used the Ancient Meteoric Greatsword, and the Mimic at blessing level 14, on foot.... White Light Charge, rips him to shreds.

[Orgazmo]

I don't think any boss require cheese. Gaius is far from hard. He is just like a Hippo on steroids.
Two bosses are extremely lame and badly implemented, yet there is no cheese for them also.

[Get Out]

Originally posted by Grumbal:

You can't defeat him on Torrent? even after the patch?
Maybe you are playing too passively?

Wait you can use Torrent? What?

[Lynfinity]

- There's a decent opening after Gravity Thrust and Gravity Spear moves
- After his 7-hit wombo-combo, there's yet another opening where even heavy weapons can squeeze in two hits
- Staying to the left of the boar often triggers him to do a simple thrust down, which gives you an opening
- In Phase 2, it's really easy to punish him with a jump attack after his enhanced charge

This is something that I can remember off the top of my head. Pretty sure I'm missing at least two more opportunities to attack.

[Fenix]

Originally posted by ☣ N\A ☣:

Originally posted by Grumbal:

You can't defeat him on Torrent? even after the patch?
Maybe you are playing too passively?

Wait you can use Torrent? What?

Yeah you can, But Gaius is faster, and Kills torrent quick, I didn't bother after the 1st attempt

[Fried Noodles]

I used the Deflecting Hardtear.
Pretty much every attack can be 'perfect blocked'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C91qxJ6V3Wc

[Nerevar]

too slow scadu level probaly.

[Silyon]

I hate using torrent for fights, even ones he's supposedly designed for like Dragons. One clip from anything and he dies, which as you've apparently seen leaves you wide open to follow up attacks as you take nine eternities standing up from being dismounted. Never worth, even with max revered ashes giving him extra DR.

Gaius was a pain to do without a shield, and I never felt in control of the fight even on the run I beat him. I found a sweet-spot where I could roll forward-right through his charge, and whenever I saw the tell for the long combo where his pig goes ham I just picked a direction and sprinted away from him as fast as I could. Otherwise, I stayed as close to him as I could hoping most of his attacks would go over my head, which ended up kind-of working.

I was a caster though, peppered him with lightning javelins from afar whenever I had a bit of breathing room. As a melee build, idk. Man doesn't give you openings to punish or heal with, not without a summon being a distraction. And he's yet another boss that doesn't stagger, so that kind of cuts your options down to shield-pokes and face-tanking.

[Kalvix]

Originally posted by Fenix:

Originally posted by ☣ N\A ☣:

Wait you can use Torrent? What?

Yeah you can, But Gaius is faster, and Kills torrent quick, I didn't bother after the 1st attempt

Aye I tried it with him, but honestly after 1-2 hits Torrent will be down and you'll be sat on the floor waiting to be hit by the follow up so it doesn't seem worth it.

Maybe its just Scadu as he kills me in 2 hits, and looking at damage its going to take around 30-40 hits to kill him, maybe more WITH a +23 Greatsword.

[Kalvix]

BTW don't worry about advice I can get arcane for Mohgs spear without respeccing so ima just cheese him. Hims so tedious that even when scadu bonus is properly grinded out I doubt he'll be fun, just an annoying chore.

[Lynfinity]

Originally posted by Kalvix:

BTW don't worry about advice I can get arcane for Mohgs spear without respeccing so ima just cheese him. Hims so tedious that even when scadu bonus is properly grinded out I doubt he'll be fun, just an annoying chore.

So your thread's title was a rhetorical question and you weren't looking for advice in the first place?

[Fried Noodles]

Originally posted by Kalvix:

BTW don't worry about advice I can get arcane for Mohgs spear without respeccing so ima just cheese him. Hims so tedious that even when scadu bonus is properly grinded out I doubt he'll be fun, just an annoying chore.

I feel like you're going to make a similar post about every boss afterwards with the same rationalization.

[Fineous🔥]

Cheese? What cheese?.....

Killed his max NG+ version today for the third time, im using holy incantations this playtrough and the damage he took from anything holy was obscene.....after stomping him i checked and yes he is extremly vulnerable to holy damage.

Other than that if you are desperate get yourself a shield with 100% physical negation to reduce his charges damage to 0, rot him and hit him during a opening after his extremly predictable 3 hits combo.

[Kalvix]

Originally posted by Lynfinity:

Originally posted by Kalvix:

BTW don't worry about advice I can get arcane for Mohgs spear without respeccing so ima just cheese him. Hims so tedious that even when scadu bonus is properly grinded out I doubt he'll be fun, just an annoying chore.

So your thread's title was a rhetorical question and you weren't looking for advice in the first place?

No, I was going to ask for advice, but honestly I can't be bothered, his mass spam of attacks is just tedious, and I can't be bothered searching for another 50 or so scadu to get up to the level to beat him.

He just feels terribly designed and if there isn't a clear strategy you can use to understand then slowly improve I can't be bothered. So far every attempt has just been him spamming attacks over and over, and if I miss 1 dodge likely dying as he does half hp on the first hit, then has already started spamming attacks by the time I'm trying to stand up.

[Lynfinity]

Originally posted by Kalvix:

He just feels terribly designed and if there isn't a clear strategy you can use to understand then slowly improve I can't be bothered.

https://youtu.be/xxd6QyYstVw?si=NnrciqhsgSutHY02