Perfumer bottle is officially dead after "bug fix"

[RubADuck]

Can someone recommend another weapons they found it the DLC that have something UNIQUE to them?

I've started a whole NG+ just for these perfume bottle because they were different and fun to use. I don't want to go back to my old op weapons.
New and fun weapons aren't allowed, it seems. The perfumer bottles gave me hope that I finally found something that is different enough from magic or normal weapons. But now it is "bug fixed" and also useless.

[Coin]

Originally posted by Senki:

light greatswords with the wing stance is pretty fun to play, the wing stance ash of war is unique to this type of weapon so yeah

Such a shame more weapons aren't in the LGS category, nooo, instead they made them something lame like a SS.

[RubADuck]

Originally posted by Eastersimulator:

Originally posted by Lord Bob:

Perfumer Bottles dealing insane amounts of damage was more than likely unintended, as mentioned in the patch notes. It's not really a nerf when it was never meant to work that way.

What's with all the negativity lately in this forum?

they could nerf the bug instead of removing it and keep it as a feature

THIS. THANK YOU.

I want to use something new that is unique enough, but also don't put a stick into my wheels if you know the meme.

https://forum.rocketbeans.tv/uploads/default/optimized/3X/8/6/86598ff1897088b711613c59d0894d93f030cb0e_2_367x500.jpeg

[Eastersimulator]

Originally posted by CrescentMouse:

Originally posted by Eastersimulator:

whips do pretty much the same job better

But dont offer nearly as much elemental damage.. nor are they perfume bottles..? Like, what happened to using weapons just cause you want to use them. Sure there's better options, a giant ultra greatsword on a strength build will do more damage then most things in the game. Doesn't make the other things in the game completely useless

yes of course they aren't perfumer bottles. Both can't be parried, both have a similiar moveset, whips deal more damage and have more variety for buildup and ashes of war.
Not to mention how late in the game you find perfumer bottles makes them rather dissapointing

[CrescentMouse]

Originally posted by Eastersimulator:

Originally posted by CrescentMouse:

But dont offer nearly as much elemental damage.. nor are they perfume bottles..? Like, what happened to using weapons just cause you want to use them. Sure there's better options, a giant ultra greatsword on a strength build will do more damage then most things in the game. Doesn't make the other things in the game completely useless

yes of course they aren't perfumer bottles. Both can't be parried, both have a similiar moveset, whips deal more damage and have more variety for buildup and ashes of war.
Not to mention how late in the game you find perfumer bottles makes them rather dissapointing

Yeah but like.. I'm 100% sure someone can still beat the game with Perfumer bottles. Which is my point.. They're not literally useless. Yeah there's better weapons, there's always going to be a better weapon. There's better weapons then the whip. But if you want to use perfumer bottles, you still can. The game is still beatable, you'll be fine

[RubADuck]

Originally posted by Rando MacArthur, Crit Horologist:

It still does tons of damage with a very unique moveset featuring lots of lingering hitboxes. The entire moveset was completely unchanged, the wall ash of war was completely unchanged, and LITERALLY the ONLY thing that got changed out of the ENTIRE MOVESET was ONE ash of war can no longer abuse a bug to deal 20x the damage it was supposed to deal.

Why is it suddenly unusable now that it's balanced with the rest of the weapons instead of oneshotting bosses?

It is NOT balanced because now it has nothing beside pure lightning damage that speaks for it.

- short range
- almost zero stagger damage
- not enough damage to be considered a real contender for my other weapons

= not useable for me anymore

Instead, they could have adapted and see: hey people like to rolling spark, let's reduce the damage it does instead of removing it entirely from the pool of choices because now IT IS useless.

MEANWHILE, Impenetrable Thorns is still unchanged in the game. Which is "working as intended" and nuking every enemy and boss into oblivion!?!

[Eastersimulator]

Originally posted by CrescentMouse:

Originally posted by Eastersimulator:

yes of course they aren't perfumer bottles. Both can't be parried, both have a similiar moveset, whips deal more damage and have more variety for buildup and ashes of war.
Not to mention how late in the game you find perfumer bottles makes them rather dissapointing

Yeah but like.. I'm 100% sure someone can still beat the game with Perfumer bottles. Which is my point.. They're not literally useless. Yeah there's better weapons, there's always going to be a better weapon. There's better weapons then the whip. But if you want to use perfumer bottles, you still can. The game is still beatable, you'll be fine

someone can beat the game bare hands level one no hit. We are not talking if you can use them we talk about balance

[Lord Bob]

Originally posted by Eastersimulator:

Originally posted by CrescentMouse:

Yeah but like.. I'm 100% sure someone can still beat the game with Perfumer bottles. Which is my point.. They're not literally useless. Yeah there's better weapons, there's always going to be a better weapon. There's better weapons then the whip. But if you want to use perfumer bottles, you still can. The game is still beatable, you'll be fine

someone can beat the game bare hands level one no hit. We are not talking if you can use them we talk about balance

Which is exactly the reason why the unintended mechanic of Rolling Sparks one- or twoshotting bosses was removed, as it was unbalanced.

[CrescentMouse]

Originally posted by Eastersimulator:

Originally posted by CrescentMouse:

Yeah but like.. I'm 100% sure someone can still beat the game with Perfumer bottles. Which is my point.. They're not literally useless. Yeah there's better weapons, there's always going to be a better weapon. There's better weapons then the whip. But if you want to use perfumer bottles, you still can. The game is still beatable, you'll be fine

someone can beat the game bare hands level one no hit. We are not talking if you can use them we talk about balance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkM8hqwa8ug&ab_channel=Verlisify you can still make them broken if you build around them, which i consider perfectly balanced

[Lord Bob]

Originally posted by Lynfinity:

Originally posted by Lord Bob:

What's with all the negativity lately in this forum?

This may come off as me losing it, but I almost feel like this forum was a much more wholesome/laid-back place before the DLC dropped.

I'm starting to miss the sight of the first page being filled mostly with help requests and some silly memes.

No, I see it the same way. There is just something really special about the way some users try to argue their point.

Things definitely were more laid back pre dlc release and you would definitely see more help threads.

[Eastersimulator]

Originally posted by Lord Bob:

Originally posted by Eastersimulator:

someone can beat the game bare hands level one no hit. We are not talking if you can use them we talk about balance

Which is exactly the reason why the unintended mechanic of Rolling Sparks one- or twoshotting bosses was removed, as it was unbalanced.

yes it was. Nobody is arguing that rolling sparks pre patch was not broken.

Originally posted by CrescentMouse:

Originally posted by Eastersimulator:

someone can beat the game bare hands level one no hit. We are not talking if you can use them we talk about balance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkM8hqwa8ug&ab_channel=Verlisify you can still make them broken if you build around them, which i consider perfectly balanced

lmao

[Fineous🔥]

How you are supposed to kill a bottle, OP?

Im going to repeat here what i have been saying after the patch was relased, they are more than fine and since talking and posting is "cheap" i tested the frost bottle with Jagged Peak dragons and Frenzy flame with borealis (Max NG+). The damage output with rolling sparks ash of war was still more than aceptable.....are you people complaining about bottled being "DeAz" have to stats to use them?....

Originally posted by RubADuck:

Can someone recommend another weapons they found it the DLC that have something UNIQUE to them?

The f....duck? Dude.....ok i will be good and give some examples. Remember Marais executioner sword? Now you can become the sword with spinning gravity trust ash of war and even infuse it with bleed....more? Death knight weapons with "blink", Poison flower blossoms twice (rot ash of war) spinning guillotine and more....

Play the game, OP.

[CrescentMouse]

Originally posted by Fineous🔥:

How you are supposed to kill a bottle, OP?

Im going to repeat here what i have been saying after the patch was relased, they are more than fine and since talking and posting is "cheap" i tested the frost bottle with Jagged Peak dragons and Frenzy flame with borealis (Max NG+). The damage output with rolling sparks ash of war was still more than aceptable.....are you people complaining about bottled being "DeAz" have to stats to use them?....

Originally posted by RubADuck:

Can someone recommend another weapons they found it the DLC that have something UNIQUE to them?

The f....duck? Dude.....ok i will be good and give some examples. Remember Marais executioner sword? Now you can become the sword with spinning gravity trust ash of war and even infuse it with bleed....more? Death knight weapons with "blink", Poison flower blossoms twice (rot ash of war) spinning guillotine and more....

Play the game, OP.

He just wants to whine that now his weapon can't literally one shot bosses with an ash of war. And will be upset until he gets another weapon that can literally one shot bosses. It is what it is, it's how he has fun and well now that it's not as easily done, he might just have to quit

[Rando the Crit Clown]

Originally posted by RubADuck:

Originally posted by Rando MacArthur, Crit Horologist:

It still does tons of damage with a very unique moveset featuring lots of lingering hitboxes. The entire moveset was completely unchanged, the wall ash of war was completely unchanged, and LITERALLY the ONLY thing that got changed out of the ENTIRE MOVESET was ONE ash of war can no longer abuse a bug to deal 20x the damage it was supposed to deal.

Why is it suddenly unusable now that it's balanced with the rest of the weapons instead of oneshotting bosses?

It is NOT balanced because now it has nothing beside pure lightning damage that speaks for it.

- short range
- almost zero stagger damage
- not enough damage to be considered a real contender for my other weapons

= not useable for me anymore

Instead, they could have adapted and see: hey people like to rolling spark, let's reduce the damage it does instead of removing it entirely from the pool of choices because now IT IS useless.

MEANWHILE, Impenetrable Thorns is still unchanged in the game. Which is "working as intended" and nuking every enemy and boss into oblivion!?!

It is balanced because Rolling Spark still does several thousand damage, its normal moves still do about a thousand damage, and it still have a unique moveset with large lingering hitboxes that cover so much ground. I beat the DLC with the perfume bottles, I PvP with the perfume bottles, I never even used Rolling Spark in the bugged way. The "nerf" doesn't even affect me at all.

[Lord Bob]

Originally posted by Eastersimulator:

Originally posted by Lord Bob:

Which is exactly the reason why the unintended mechanic of Rolling Sparks one- or twoshotting bosses was removed, as it was unbalanced.

yes it was. Nobody is arguing that rolling sparks pre patch was not broken.

The Op was kind of implying exactly that, which is also why I responded to you the way I did.

[Fineous🔥]

Originally posted by CrescentMouse:

Originally posted by Fineous🔥:

How you are supposed to kill a bottle, OP?

Im going to repeat here what i have been saying after the patch was relased, they are more than fine and since talking and posting is "cheap" i tested the frost bottle with Jagged Peak dragons and Frenzy flame with borealis (Max NG+). The damage output with rolling sparks ash of war was still more than aceptable.....are you people complaining about bottled being "DeAz" have to stats to use them?....






The f....duck? Dude.....ok i will be good and give some examples. Remember Marais executioner sword? Now you can become the sword with spinning gravity trust ash of war and even infuse it with bleed....more? Death knight weapons with "blink", Poison flower blossoms twice (rot ash of war) spinning guillotine and more....

Play the game, OP.

He just wants to whine that now his weapon can't literally one shot bosses with an ash of war. And will be upset until he gets another weapon that can literally one shot bosses. It is what it is, it's how he has fun and well now that it's not as easily done, he might just have to quit

I know, i know but complaining about nothing unique and "special" in the Shadowlands came as facetious...(dont know if thats intended, OP so sorry just in case) had to provide some "flashy" examples. After all rolling sparks was just a poor man version of Rykard rancor......