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76561198041896520 6 JUL 2024 a las 1:20 a. m.
is there a reason why the shaman village is depressing
whats with the melancholy music, its a really drastic change
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Dumah The Seeker 6 JUL 2024 a las 5:16 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Lord Bob:
Publicado originalmente por Dumah The Seeker:
The word "ruins" implies that there is something left. In the Shaman Village there is 3 houses and that's it. Even if you increase the number to 6 houses, how many people can live there? The houses are also really small.
Exactly, there is something left that was probably part of a bigger whole.
But there is nothing besides else those houses, that's the problem. ALso, not even wood detorated in them, which makes it even stranger.

And I know that before Erdtree ghostflame was used and such. I just don't understand the difference between death with rune of death and death without rune of death.
Also, Tarnished are revived by grace, as far as I know, not because there is a lack of rune of death.
DLC💚TOO🤍HARD💔 6 JUL 2024 a las 5:20 a. m. 
I would have expected some techno music there
Persona Au Gratin 6 JUL 2024 a las 5:21 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Dumah The Seeker:
Publicado originalmente por Lord Bob:
Exactly, there is something left that was probably part of a bigger whole.
But there is nothing besides else those houses, that's the problem. ALso, not even wood detorated in them, which makes it even stranger.

I think what's funny is that not only is there a magic spell blessing the remains of the village, which is guarded, but it is absolutely in contrast with the way other villages were burned. Marika protected that place. Literally with magic, I really think you want this "but it was just three houses" thing to be a gotcha and you can't see the problem with that given the game is commenting partly on the folly of what the Hornsent did. They slaughtered a group of people arbitrarily, Marika's village is likely one of many places which they were gathering people/bodies.

I think there are limitations to this implication, but the whole "It's just three houses" is just completely silly. Like, it isn't just "depiction" it's the fact that the proportions of the land/map itself already have a hard time suggesting such a huge amount of people. Imagination is already required to make this idea of people and homes work lmfao. The scale/proportions of where the player is playing don't really fit to scale.
Mini 6 JUL 2024 a las 5:21 a. m. 
It’s a very somber place; effectively the gravesite of Marika’s people. The entire DLC story around Messmer only really happened because Marika wanted revenge against the Hornsent for her peoples’ torture and subsequent grafting.

Sadly, the crusade happened after every last shaman met their end. Now the village stands cold and empty, only occupied by a small Erdtree.
Lord Bob 6 JUL 2024 a las 5:24 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Dumah The Seeker:
Publicado originalmente por Lord Bob:
Exactly, there is something left that was probably part of a bigger whole.
But there is nothing besides else those houses, that's the problem. ALso, not even wood detorated in them, which makes it even stranger.
I'm not sure how I can explain it differently to you at this point. What I tried to bring across was that what we see now likely are the remains of a place that at some point in time had more houses and a greater population than zero.

Publicado originalmente por Dumah The Seeker:
And I know that before Erdtree ghostflame was used and such. I just don't understand the difference between death with rune of death and death without rune of death.
Also, Tarnished are revived by grace, as far as I know, not because there is a lack of rune of death.
I guess the Rune of Death is quite literally death itself, so the very concept of it. It used to be a part of the big whole, until it was made it's own corporal thing.

As in, everything dies at some point. You, me, Gaben, Turtle Pope. Then, someone who has a deeper understanding of the concept of reality decides to remove death from the equation, by making it an actual object of sorts.
Dumah The Seeker 6 JUL 2024 a las 5:26 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Persona Au Gratin:
Publicado originalmente por Dumah The Seeker:
Not really. Golden orded seems to use dead people.

You're proving my point here
No, I don't. Simply because GO can do that, doesn't mean that the hornsent could do that.
Of course the practice was unnecessary and cruel, that's not the point. The point is that you're making ship up on the spot. This whole "hornsent just killed and purged the land from everyone and took their homes" that you were trying to sell was stupid, and it's still stupid now.
And no, shamans were indeed special. It doesn't justify hornsent, but numen seem to be different from others. That's probably why Godrick was able to graft so many things unto himself, with such ease.
Zoid13 6 JUL 2024 a las 5:28 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por A Son of a Shepard:
is there a reason why the shaman village is depressing

did you play the rest of the game. or any other souls game from fromsoft?

they are all depressing, tragic and bleak. there's very very few npc stories or lore that end well in these games lol
Última edición por Zoid13; 6 JUL 2024 a las 5:28 a. m.
Dumah The Seeker 6 JUL 2024 a las 5:33 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Persona Au Gratin:
Publicado originalmente por Dumah The Seeker:
But there is nothing besides else those houses, that's the problem. ALso, not even wood detorated in them, which makes it even stranger.

I think what's funny is that not only is there a magic spell blessing the remains of the village, which is guarded, but it is absolutely in contrast with the way other villages were burned. Marika protected that place. Literally with magic, I really think you want this "but it was just three houses" thing to be a gotcha and you can't see the problem with that given the game is commenting partly on the folly of what the Hornsent did. They slaughtered a group of people arbitrarily, Marika's village is likely one of many places which they were gathering people/bodies.

I think there are limitations to this implication, but the whole "It's just three houses" is just completely silly. Like, it isn't just "depiction" it's the fact that the proportions of the land/map itself already have a hard time suggesting such a huge amount of people. Imagination is already required to make this idea of people and homes work lmfao. The scale/proportions of where the player is playing don't really fit to scale.
Did Marika protected that place from detoration? She never returned there again, she just placed a spell there, along with two guards, that's pretty much it.
Bloody hell, this is getting tiresome. Why do people defend such stupid world design? Literally every single village in the game looks better, even burnt ones do. Simply because you will always need imagination doesn't excuse barren world design. It was a problem in Skyrim with "cities", that have 6 alcoholics in 3 houses, it's still a problem in the ER.
Lord Bob 6 JUL 2024 a las 5:41 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Dumah The Seeker:
Did Marika protected that place from detoration? She never returned there again, she just placed a spell there, along with two guards, that's pretty much it.
Bloody hell, this is getting tiresome. Why do people defend such stupid world design? Literally every single village in the game looks better, even burnt ones do. Simply because you will always need imagination doesn't excuse barren world design. It was a problem in Skyrim with "cities", that have 6 alcoholics in 3 houses, it's still a problem in the ER.
Man, people have tried to explain to you why "it's only three houses" and how that might have happened, yet here you are still raving on about how it's only a certain number of buildings. Absolutely noone defended anything here, this is your interpretation of others trying to explain stuff to you, while you are unable to open your mind to said suggestions.

It doesn't matter if she protected the village against deterioration or not. The Minor Erdtree incant even suggests that she cast the spell despite everyone else being long gone (which is the very premise of the thread, by the way).
Persona Au Gratin 6 JUL 2024 a las 5:57 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Dumah The Seeker:
Publicado originalmente por Persona Au Gratin:

You're proving my point here
No, I don't.

Yes, you are. Many people, just gonna reiterate what Bob has said, have tried to explain to you the numerous reasons why they wouldn't necessarily share in your particular hang up. I don't even disagree that there are aspects about the map that just aren't going to achieve verisimilitude, but the idea that it was just "three houses to extract countless victims" is patently absurd as far as what the player is supposed to glean from the text and visuals that the game shows the player.

I think at that point we'd be taking issue with precisely how many Hornsent had to be killed to make up the entire structure of Marika's monolith or Elim Ilim alone. There's just nothing profound or interesting about being incredulous about this one particular site that Marika herself took special care to preserve in some capacity by also assuming it was the only source of victims and how that would be "disproportionate" when the Hornsent were likely culling victims from all over.
Dumah The Seeker 6 JUL 2024 a las 5:57 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Lord Bob:
this is your interpretation of others trying to explain stuff to you, while you are unable to open your mind to said suggestions.

The thing is - your suggestions are just bad. There is one good explanation as to why Shaman Village looks the way it does - From didn't put any effort into making this village look convincing. Everything else is an inconsistent or an unsatisfying explanation. From, in fact, didn't put a lot of effort into making TLB a convincing place.
Última edición por Dumah The Seeker; 6 JUL 2024 a las 6:00 a. m.
(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr 6 JUL 2024 a las 6:14 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Dumah The Seeker:
Publicado originalmente por Aerieanei:
They probably wouldn't have many houses if the population keeps getting put into jars at an alarming rate. It'd be funny if you open up a house and there's actually a giant underground village.
It doesn't make sense. It should have a lot of houses, if it's used to create jar saints, since lots of houses = lots of people that reproduce. If this village will have a population of 5 people, how many will be taken by hornsent?
Right now it looks as if hornsent took 5 people from the village and Marika decided to just kill everyone because of that.
Now that I think about it, she's hilariously evil.
I think they took them to Bonny Village and did the torturing, putting into pots stuff, there.
(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr 6 JUL 2024 a las 6:17 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Dumah The Seeker:
Publicado originalmente por Lord Bob:
this is your interpretation of others trying to explain stuff to you, while you are unable to open your mind to said suggestions.

The thing is - your suggestions are just bad. There is one good explanation as to why Shaman Village looks the way it does - From didn't put any effort into making this village look convincing. Everything else is an inconsistent or an unsatisfying explanation. From, in fact, didn't put a lot of effort into making TLB a convincing place.
I think it’s moreso that a bigger village in these games would feel more ominous than depressing.
Dumah The Seeker 6 JUL 2024 a las 6:18 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Persona Au Gratin:
Publicado originalmente por Dumah The Seeker:
No, I don't.

Yes, you are. Many people, just gonna reiterate what Bob has said, have tried to explain to you the numerous reasons why they wouldn't necessarily share in your particular hang up. I don't even disagree that there are aspects about the map that just aren't going to achieve verisimilitude, but the idea that it was just "three houses to extract countless victims" is patently absurd as far as what the player is supposed to glean from the text and visuals that the game shows the player.

I think at that point we'd be taking issue with precisely how many Hornsent had to be killed to make up the entire structure of Marika's monolith or Elim Ilim alone. There's just nothing profound or interesting about being incredulous about this one particular site that Marika herself took special care to preserve in some capacity by also assuming it was the only source of victims and how that would be "disproportionate" when the Hornsent were likely culling victims from all over.

No, I don't. Again, every single explanation for the issue people tried to come up with in this thread is STUPID. It makes no sense. From just didn't do the job properly, and that's all.

As for the structure - probably not that many. And it was indeed disproportionate, since your headcanon of hornsent just killing or stuffing everyone up around them is indeed -headcanon. You have to base your speculations on evidence, not on "muh real world ethnic cleansing".
Lord Bob 6 JUL 2024 a las 6:18 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Dumah The Seeker:
Publicado originalmente por Lord Bob:
this is your interpretation of others trying to explain stuff to you, while you are unable to open your mind to said suggestions.
The thing is - your suggestions are just bad. There is one good explanation as to why Shaman Village looks the way it does - From didn't put any effort into making this village look convincing.
To you, my guy, to you. It does not look convincing to you, not because someone didn't put any effort into it.

Publicado originalmente por Dumah The Seeker:
Everything else is an inconsistent or an unsatisfying explanation. From, in fact, didn't put a lot of effort into making TLB a convincing place.
That is your opinion, and you are entitled to it. But why do you make it look like you're trying to have a conversation when you never wanted to have one to begin with? You have been posting back and forth and responded negatively to explanations and suggestions, only to finally outright dismiss them because you were seemingly just trying to reinforce your confirmation bias.

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Publicado originalmente por Dumah The Seeker:
Again, every single explanation for the issue people tried to come up with in this thread is STUPID.
Good job on cementing your general attitude.
Última edición por Lord Bob; 6 JUL 2024 a las 6:22 a. m.
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