Wait why is Tarnished considered a hero exactly?

[Nemerlight]

You invade castles, kill everyone and take their stuff. What part of that is heroic to you? What you bring freedom to these lands? Freedom from what?

[Weedsmell]

maybe margit wasn't direct enough

[vamirez]

Well, do you also kill the people in the game that don't attack? What is your choice for the world at the end of the game?

You choose what your character is.

But yes, generally fantasy heroes enter castles filled with enemies and undead and fight them all, and loot their treasures. In Elden Ring, you aren't "freeing" most of these places - you are on a quest to (maybe) save the world and shape its future.

[Todd Howard]

The tarnished is a hero who is attempting to murder those who are waging genocide and imposing totalitarian rule over the population of the lands between.

[Wheee333ee33e3e]

Originally posted by Weedsmell:

maybe margit wasn't direct enough

Pretty much. Tarnished is just a foul murder Hobo that kills everything so he can try out different weapons, like a true psychopath.

[Kyutaru]

Originally posted by Porcelain:

The tarnished is a hero who is attempting to murder those who are waging genocide and imposing totalitarian rule over the population of the lands between.

And Batman is just a hero who is attempting to arrest, not even murder, all these psychos.

Yet he's wanted by the police for vigilante action, and sometimes the public decries him too.

The cool kids have to be cool. Not good, just popular. #WeLoveMiquella

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sIYe74sczE

[Chaosolous]

Freedom. Freedom from life.

[vamirez]

Originally posted by Kyutaru:

Originally posted by Porcelain:

The tarnished is a hero who is attempting to murder those who are waging genocide and imposing totalitarian rule over the population of the lands between.

And Batman is just a hero who is attempting to arrest, not even murder, all these psychos.

Yet he's wanted by the police for vigilante action, and sometimes the public decries him too.

The cool kids have to be cool. Not good, just popular. #WeLoveMiquella

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sIYe74sczE

But note that in a quasi-medieval fantasy world, there are no modern concepts like police, vigilantes and criminal villains. I know that wasn't your point, but this still informs how we view a game or setting like Elden Ring. We play a "questing knight", whether a good or bad guy, on a basically holy quest, going up against godlike figures and their soldiers, wizards and enemy knights, monsters, undead and creatures from beyond time and space. Might makes right - personal might even more here than military might, so we take the power of our adversaries for ourselves to, at the end, kill a god and sit down on that troubled throne of Aquilo... the Lands Between. I.e. the premise of this thread doesn't make much sense in the whole context.

[Azrael ♡]

Why do you think there are so many endings?? lmao
What are these posts lately man, oh wait.. This is Steam. Nvm.

[Mr. Pixel]

Originally posted by Nemerlight:

You invade castles, kill everyone and take their stuff. What part of that is heroic to you? What you bring freedom to these lands? Freedom from what?

Freedom from the Greater Will. You can choose to keep status quo, improve upon the old order, or follow a different path. As for Heroism, your choices are entirely your own.

[Wiegs]

We're the heroes when we have defeated everyone else and there's nobody left to say otherwise. The last one standing decides who's right or wrong.

[nobleberry]

Originally posted by Nemerlight:

You invade castles, kill everyone and take their stuff. What part of that is heroic to you? What you bring freedom to these lands? Freedom from what?

what do you mean "invade"? I just walk around, and everyone attacks me. it is all self defence

[Wingnut Mcmoomoo]

Originally posted by le bomjue:

Originally posted by Nemerlight:

You invade castles, kill everyone and take their stuff. What part of that is heroic to you? What you bring freedom to these lands? Freedom from what?

what do you mean "invade"? I just walk around, and everyone attacks me. it is all self defence

lol there is no way to beat the game (without glitches) that don't involve literally storming or bypassing the gates of guarded castles. We are a crazy murder hobo by design, we're the end result of a plan to be used as a weapon to settle something through a fight of attrition.

[Sabaithal]

Just going to point out you can murder people by the hundreds and still be considered "good guy".

Its called a war hero. Just gotta make sure your side wins.

[nobleberry]

Originally posted by Wingnut Mcmoomoo:

Originally posted by le bomjue:

what do you mean "invade"? I just walk around, and everyone attacks me. it is all self defence

lol there is no way to beat the game (without glitches) that don't involve literally storming or bypassing the gates of guarded castles. We are a crazy murder hobo by design, we're the end result of a plan to be used as a weapon to settle something through a fight of attrition.

there is no sign anywhere at all that says that area is off limits, inhabitants don't tell me to get back, they just attack. they don't show any IDs or other documents that confirm their legality of occupying the place they are at

[Sabaithal]

Originally posted by le bomjue:

Originally posted by Wingnut Mcmoomoo:

lol there is no way to beat the game (without glitches) that don't involve literally storming or bypassing the gates of guarded castles. We are a crazy murder hobo by design, we're the end result of a plan to be used as a weapon to settle something through a fight of attrition.

there is no sign anywhere at all that says that area is off limits, inhabitants don't tell me to get back, they just attack. they don't show any IDs or other documents that confirm their legality of occupying the place they are at

The guys guarding the front gate with a giant ballista, or the big angry man waving his oversized walking stick around and telling you to "♥♥♥♥ off" weren't an indicator?