Backwards blades PvP

[Hex: Boon]

I was playing with them in PvP for a while but I found myself just spamming the Ash because it is so oppressive to the point I use it more than normal attacks.

Is there a counter, something people are doing wrong coz I feel bad using it right now.

[zmanbuilder]

Still rather new, so a counter is not known yet.

[Weedsmell]

there is no counter apparently, people have dissected and tested the weapon and found nothing

the way the attacks works makes it undodgable, the only thing that you can do is hyperarmor through it... but since its so fast and can't be reacted you have to guess and gamble... and hope the oponent doesnt have a working brain

so yeah... you became a tumor my dude, sorry to inform you

[zmanbuilder]

Originally posted by Weedsmell:

there is no counter apparently, people have dissected and tested the weapon and found nothing

the way the attacks works makes it undodgable, the only thing that you can do is hyperarmor through it... but since its so fast and can't be reacted you have to guess and gamble... and hope the oponent doesnt have a working brain

so yeah... you became a tumor my dude, sorry to inform you

How to nerf it without making it useless, maybe let you parry it?

[Weedsmell]

Originally posted by zmanbuilder:

How to nerf it without making it useless, maybe let you parry it?

i'm no expert on this, i've only seen some suggestions from the pvp community

like reducing the hitbox on the charge, taking away stuns on the ''tail hitbox'', giving it the bloodhound treatment so it can't be spammed.... they'll probably nerf it it remains to see how

edit: i dont know if you can currently parry it, but the problem that its so fast still remains

[Hex: Boon]

Originally posted by Weedsmell:

there is no counter apparently, people have dissected and tested the weapon and found nothing

the way the attacks works makes it undodgable, the only thing that you can do is hyperarmor through it... but since its so fast and can't be reacted you have to guess and gamble... and hope the oponent doesnt have a working brain

so yeah... you became a tumor my dude, sorry to inform you

Yup, had a feeling.

[Remi]

The counterplay is using Finger Severer when you see any Backhand Blades. The actual weapons alone are stronger than most weapons while weighing nothing, plus Blindspot and Swift Slash have little to no actual counterplay (running away with Endure isn't really a viable strategy). No reason to fight anyone using them unless you're using a oneshot Greatsword of Damnation build or whatever could delete them before their L2 outskills you.

[Hex: Boon]

Well, they should do a eighth of the damage because they are a guaranteed hit, they should apply much less status buildup than they do and should cost stamina for both the dash and the attack and if you don't have enough for the follow up it should do 10% of the damage.

[Fistraiser]

I dont pvp myself but curious has anybody tried use raptors mist to dodge it?

[Hex: Boon]

Originally posted by Fistraiser:

I dont pvp myself but curious has anybody tried use raptors mist to dodge it?

It is two attacks, the dash and then a aoe.

[Forest]

Guess the question is, is FROM gonna do a DLC pvp balancing patch or let this go on like the ring paired greatswords from DS3.

[Abysswalker]

I hope they dont touch this weapon in PvE. I dont care about PvP.

[Lord Bob]

Endure on any infusable fist weaon, Star Fist, Katar, Spiked Caestus, Pata.

Preferably blood infused. It gives you some room to breath and pressure anyone that's using it with that one infamous Ash of War.
I'm pretty sure the AoW doesn't have iframes during startup, like many others.

[Hex: Boon]

Originally posted by Lord Bob:

Endure on any infusable fist weaon, Star Fist, Katar, Spiked Caestus, Pata.

Preferably blood infused. It gives you some room to breath and pressure anyone that's using it with that one infamous Ash of War.
I'm pretty sure the AoW doesn't have iframes during startup, like many others.

yeah people try it but you just wait out the endure or use your basic attacks to hit them and bleed em.
I get the idea but it only works if I was just spamming it and nothing else.

[Hex: Boon]

I think they will do a pass on lots of the ash's particularly.
I have been playing PvP recently and lots of the time its just Ash's spam right now like when the base game first came out.

[Lord Bob]

Originally posted by The Axolotl:

Originally posted by Lord Bob:

Endure on any infusable fist weaon, Star Fist, Katar, Spiked Caestus, Pata.

Preferably blood infused. It gives you some room to breath and pressure anyone that's using it with that one infamous Ash of War.
I'm pretty sure the AoW doesn't have iframes during startup, like many others.

yeah people try it but you just wait out the endure or use your basic attacks to hit them and bleed em.
I get the idea but it only works if I was just spamming it and nothing else.

Yeah it's a last resort. At least it lets you heal or run for a good bit, but it's not directly a hard counter to what you described.

Maybe Raptor of the Mists? Also no idea if it can be parried or not. It still needs some testing due to it being so new I guess.