Eleonora poleblade vs Nagakiba

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not sure .
i think i heard that AOW applies bloodflame or bloodloss buff on weapon during AOW

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lol and calculator shows highest AR on 21 dex and 80 arc despite dex is better scaling.

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i find strange now that ppl use Nagakiba+bloodflame.
that bloodflame flame damage scales low 0.4 with faith and Nagakiba is B in dex even in blood infusion. these leads to lower bleed then Eleonora even with bloodflame up because you need to focus stat in dex.
+ Shard of alexander+lord of blood+milicent+rotten wing+white mask = OP lol .

i think ppl underrrated Poleblade due to fact it was no properly scaling with arc but now its fixed.
literaly same or more OP level then double seppuku peeler for example but requires no braindamage with buffs. only FGMS . + stance damage is big like , more then moonveil now lol.

[Lord Bob]

The reason why Nagakiba is preferred over Eleonora's, I believe, is once again the massive range advantage the Nagakiba has. Doesn't matter if it's the running R2, the ridiculous dual wield crouch/rolling R1 or various Ashes of War, with Spinning Slash probably being the worst offender.

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Originally posted by Lord Bob:

The reason why Nagakiba is preferred over Eleonora's, I believe, is once again the massive range advantage the Nagakiba has. Doesn't matter if it's the running R2, the ridiculous dual wield crouch/rolling R1 or various Ashes of War, with Spinning Slash probably being the worst offender.

yeah for pvp range and roll catch i agree. but pve i mean. pure damage

[Toyosatomimi no Miko]

(Arcane infused) Nagakiba has more range and also hits like a truck in general, especially with unsheathe.
And as much as I love the poleblade. Twinblades kind of suck in Elden Ring, especially when two-handed, and that R2 is purely a meme in PVP.

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Originally posted by Toyosatomimi no Miko:

(Arcane infused) Nagakiba has more range and also hits like a truck in general, especially with unsheathe.
And as much as I love the poleblade. Twinblades kind of suck in Elden Ring, especially when two-handed, and that R2 is purely a meme in PVP.

not counting pvp.
eleonoras have more ar even more then Keen Nagakiba. which is strage but it is.

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Originally posted by Toyosatomimi no Miko:

(Arcane infused) Nagakiba has more range and also hits like a truck in general, especially with unsheathe.
And as much as I love the poleblade. Twinblades kind of suck in Elden Ring, especially when two-handed, and that R2 is purely a meme in PVP.

ok same ar with 80 arc on occult nagakiba

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i feel this build cool because you just run around normally and kill everything .
apply only 1 buff for boss and thats it.
and impact is same as these brain 3+ buffs builds

[Imperator Ricardo]

The Nagakiba has much more flexibility in the moveset, aswell as the ability to be infused with various weapon arts. This combined with the very long range and strong standard moveset make it a powerful and popular weapon.

Eleonoras Poleblade, to my experience, has the main issue of dealing rather little damage and lacking hyperarmour on the weapon art, especially considering the decently high stat investment it requires to use. The Twinblade moveset is decent enough, but it does not offset some of the drawbacks. Still, it is a fun weapon to play around with.
Experience may vary.

A Blood-infused Twinned Knights' Sword or Godskin Peeler may be a better choice for the added flexibility of weapon art choice.
That said, the Poleblade does do superior poisedamage with the weapon art, and the fashion value has few rivals.

As for the Bloodflame Blade part: People do not use Bloodflame Blade for the fire damage, they use it for the Bloodflame debuff, wich increases bleed buildup by +20 over 2 seconds and stacks with more hits.
A great buff for weapons (particularily fast ones) that already cause innate bleed buildup, such as the Nagakiba, while not commiting to an arcane build to cause blood loss.
Not to mention that it looks great. Fashion is a very important part of any build after all.

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Originally posted by Imperator Ricardo:

The Nagakiba has much more flexibility in the moveset, aswell as the ability to be infused with various weapon arts. This combined with the very long range and strong standard moveset make it a powerful and popular weapon.

Eleonoras Poleblade, to my experience, has the main issue of dealing rather little damage and lacking hyperarmour on the weapon art, especially considering the decently high stat investment it requires to use. The Twinblade moveset is decent enough, but it does not offset some of the drawbacks. Still, it is a fun weapon to play around with.
Experience may vary.

A Blood-infused Twinned Knights' Sword or Godskin Peeler may be a better choice for the added flexibility of weapon art choice.
That said, the Poleblade does do superior poisedamage with the weapon art, and the fashion value has few rivals.

As for the Bloodflame Blade part: People do not use Bloodflame Blade for the fire damage, they use it for the Bloodflame debuff, wich increases bleed buildup by +20 over 2 seconds and stacks with more hits.
A great buff for weapons (particularily fast ones) that already cause innate bleed buildup, such as the Nagakiba, while not commiting to an arcane build to cause blood loss.
Not to mention that it looks great. Fashion is a very important part of any build after all.

agree. but . the point is that many ppl used eleonoras with dex stat. and i found that 21 dex 80 arc is much more AR + all arc benefits .
THE MAIN question is. and i thinks its like this ....
during BloodDance the weapon is buffed by BloodFlame during AOW ( only bleed buff )
why i want it . its simple , ez to use , no brain damage with buffs , and rotten wing+milicents+white mask+lord of blood+shard = all stack together and easy to pull off.
sure you can make more OP staff line double bandit jumps or pvp nagakibas / double naginatas...
but thats all kinda complicated to use and boring . i cant use Jump non stop lol.