Why is the mimic tear in the game?

[Atlas]

Or atleast why isn't its stats scaled down? why is there one single item that can change the entire difficulty of the game from playing to story mode? all other ashes are fine ranging from distractions to actually helpful minions and then the mimic just blows them all outta the water, hell the endgame bosses probably had to be scaled up to compete with the addition of the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ mimic.

[Atlas]

JocularJosh lähetti viestin:

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"People develop this perception that the Mimic Tear is overpowered because, frankly, they themselves just haven't gotten gud yet to such a degree where they can move away from it."
thats what came off as salty to me but if not my bad
as for summons for nearly every boss idk about ds1&2 but ds3 sure as ♥♥♥♥ didn't have summons coming outta the ass, i could've used one for pontiff or midir dark eater
"So then how are people finding plenty of moments of reprieve without using the "meatshield?"" brother i'd love to ♥♥♥♥♥♥ know for malikith. the best way i've seen for half of them is hoping rng is on your side and they dont whip out their op moves 5 times in a row.

Every souls game pretty much had NPC summons for every boss.
Even Pontiff and Midir had NPC summons.

And ER bosses aren't even all that hard once you figure out their moveset. Same with every souls game.

Mimic Tear and ever other spirit ash summon is there to make the game easier. That's it. And considering they trivialize the game I'd say they definitely did NOT develop the late-game areas and bosses with them in mind. They can all be OP considering all you need them to do is pull aggro so you can smash attack on bosses.

must've had to do something special for the summon cause they didn't appear during any of my playthroughs.
idk man pulling agro is the ashes job but 1v1 most bosses in the game is a different league. i love the idea of pulling out minions to distract for you and help you in fights, i'm uneasy of them beating the game for you, to say the least.

[Senki]

AG Atlas lähetti viestin:

must've had to do something special for the summon cause they didn't appear during any of my playthroughs.
idk man pulling agro is the ashes job but 1v1 most bosses in the game is a different league. i love the idea of pulling out minions to distract for you and help you in fights, i'm uneasy of them beating the game for you, to say the least.

unless you have a really good build it can copy or it's overleveled it's not gonna solo any major boss especially in endgame

it will solo the catacomb bosses and all that but those are basically just mobs in disguise most of the time anyway

[Atlas]

Kevin Ryan lähetti viestin:

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"People develop this perception that the Mimic Tear is overpowered because, frankly, they themselves just haven't gotten gud yet to such a degree where they can move away from it."
thats what came off as salty to me but if not my bad
as for summons for nearly every boss idk about ds1&2 but ds3 sure as ♥♥♥♥ didn't have summons coming outta the ass, i could've used one for pontiff or midir dark eater
"So then how are people finding plenty of moments of reprieve without using the "meatshield?"" brother i'd love to ♥♥♥♥♥♥ know for malikith. the best way i've seen for half of them is hoping rng is on your side and they dont whip out their op moves 5 times in a row.

I wasn’t salty. I was speaking about how a lesser skilled player’s perception of the game will naturally change as they improve.
Pontiff is a good example.

I raged at him. Then I practiced. Then I got gud. Now I love him and have for years.

It really comes down to studying patterns and recognizing them. RNG plays a part for sure, but bosses tend to reliably follow one move with another.

So you pick up on that.

Maliketh for example begins phase two just about EVERY time with the same jump slash.

After the cutscene, the game positions you roughly the same distance way from him.

So you combine those two points aaaaannd…..back up a step or two and watch him completely whiff.

Thus opening him up in a major way.

So that’s how you find those moments. You gotta study patterns.

trust me friend i didn't get through ds3 not learning and adapting to moves. pontiff was my learning point as well too the point that soul of cinder fell our first fight. they had orders of moves or atleast to the point they weren't doing the same mid-air beyblade move that ends with his special destined death dome 2 or 3 times time after time. also i'll say if you stance break him and crit him going into the second phase you'll start from where you crit him at tho he still lunges like a mad dog at ya.

[Lynfinity]

AG Atlas lähetti viestin:

...in the game series renown for its challenge...

Hate to burst your bubble, but the only reason why DS games have this reputation is because PTDE back then was being hyped up everywhere as this "most hardcore game ever". But in reality, it's only that on a surface level.

Out of all FS games, the most challenging one is probably Sekiro, and even then some would argue that it's not bad. Dark Souls, Bloodborne, Elden Ring - all these games have moderate challenge at best, they are really not as challenging as you want to believe they are.

[JocularJosh]

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JocularJosh lähetti viestin:

Every souls game pretty much had NPC summons for every boss.
Even Pontiff and Midir had NPC summons.

And ER bosses aren't even all that hard once you figure out their moveset. Same with every souls game.

Mimic Tear and ever other spirit ash summon is there to make the game easier. That's it. And considering they trivialize the game I'd say they definitely did NOT develop the late-game areas and bosses with them in mind. They can all be OP considering all you need them to do is pull aggro so you can smash attack on bosses.

must've had to do something special for the summon cause they didn't appear during any of my playthroughs.
idk man pulling agro is the ashes job but 1v1 most bosses in the game is a different league. i love the idea of pulling out minions to distract for you and help you in fights, i'm uneasy of them beating the game for you, to say the least.

No, nothing special you had to do for any of them. They are just there. For both those fights you mentioned.

I mean the end result is the same, you get easy mode. Just standing there or walking up to the boss to hit r1 over and over again is not that much of a difference. There are multiple summons that can easily 1v1 multiple bosses, that is not exclusive to mimic tear.

[Atlas]

Lynfinity lähetti viestin:

AG Atlas lähetti viestin:

...in the game series renown for its challenge...

Hate to burst your bubble, but the only reason why DS games have this reputation is because PTDE back then was being hyped up everywhere as this "most hardcore game ever". But in reality, it's only that on a surface level.

Out of all FS games, the most challenging one is probably Sekiro, and even then some would argue that it's not bad. Dark Souls, Bloodborne, Elden Ring - all these games have moderate challenge at best, they are really not as challenging as you want to believe they are.

i didn't say they were, i said they were known for which they also love to lean into. though objectively if you ranked all game on difficulty i dont doubt itd still be in the top 20%

[Atlas]

JocularJosh lähetti viestin:

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must've had to do something special for the summon cause they didn't appear during any of my playthroughs.
idk man pulling agro is the ashes job but 1v1 most bosses in the game is a different league. i love the idea of pulling out minions to distract for you and help you in fights, i'm uneasy of them beating the game for you, to say the least.

No, nothing special you had to do for any of them. They are just there. For both those fights you mentioned.

I mean the end result is the same, you get easy mode. Just standing there or walking up to the boss to hit r1 over and over again is not that much of a difference. There are multiple summons that can easily 1v1 multiple bosses, that is not exclusive to mimic tear.

you straight up lying to me man, i didn't rage and seethe over pontiff for you to say there was a sign where there wasn't on my screen.
edit: upon a search you'd seem to be right but still none of the alleged 3 were there for my run throughs

[JocularJosh]

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No, nothing special you had to do for any of them. They are just there. For both those fights you mentioned.

I mean the end result is the same, you get easy mode. Just standing there or walking up to the boss to hit r1 over and over again is not that much of a difference. There are multiple summons that can easily 1v1 multiple bosses, that is not exclusive to mimic tear.

you straight up lying to me man, i didn't rage and seethe over pontiff for you to say there was a sign where there wasn't on my screen.
edit: upon a search you'd seem to be right but still none of the alleged 3 were there for my run throughs

I have played every souls game to death so yeah I know what I'm talking about lol.
And I am more than sure they were there, you just didn't see them or weren't embererd.

[Atlas]

JocularJosh lähetti viestin:

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you straight up lying to me man, i didn't rage and seethe over pontiff for you to say there was a sign where there wasn't on my screen.
edit: upon a search you'd seem to be right but still none of the alleged 3 were there for my run throughs

I have played every souls game to death so yeah I know what I'm talking about lol.
And I am more than sure they were there, you just didn't see them or weren't embererd.

ah had to be embered? that'd be it, i tend to save all resources especially those type that i find valuable. tho surely there are some for non-embered then ye? cause i swore i had the summon for dragonslayer armour and of course onion knight for big boy giant lord

[BoD[6-4]]

"Why does every high level sorcery exist in Dark Souls 1? I can literally demolish every boss. And even Dark bead, its damage is insane. Remove all of these from Dark Souls and make it have garbage magic damage or make it be melee focussed only"

This is how you sound like

[BoD[6-4]]

Kevin Ryan lähetti viestin:

The way you talk about these end game bosses is EXACTLY the way new players talk about Gwyn when they feel like the only way to win is to summon Solaire.

Again, it's all relative.

Wait wait wait... did people really complain about gwyn being any difficult!?

At the time I was far from being good but I literally parried the s*t out of him. He actually have been my really first attempt at parry and I succeded in beating him that way

[JocularJosh]

AG Atlas lähetti viestin:

JocularJosh lähetti viestin:

I have played every souls game to death so yeah I know what I'm talking about lol.
And I am more than sure they were there, you just didn't see them or weren't embererd.

ah had to be embered? that'd be it, i tend to save all resources especially those type that i find valuable. tho surely there are some for non-embered then ye? cause i swore i had the summon for dragonslayer armour and of course onion knight for big boy giant lord

No that's how it works in souls game. For DS1 you have to be human, for DS3 you had to be embered. Making yourself human or embering yourself up is what "activates" online functionality such as coop and PvP.

[Atlas]

JocularJosh lähetti viestin:

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ah had to be embered? that'd be it, i tend to save all resources especially those type that i find valuable. tho surely there are some for non-embered then ye? cause i swore i had the summon for dragonslayer armour and of course onion knight for big boy giant lord

No that's how it works in souls game. For DS1 you have to be human, for DS3 you had to be embered. Making yourself human or embering yourself up is what "activates" online functionality such as coop and PvP.

well yeah online services but in game summons aren't online so that part went over me

[Atlas]

BoD6-4 lähetti viestin:

"Why does every high level sorcery exist in Dark Souls 1? I can literally demolish every boss. And even Dark bead, its damage is insane. Remove all of these from Dark Souls and make it have garbage magic damage or make it be melee focussed only"

This is how you sound like

if thats what you read you too might be illiterate. i very clearly said why is it in the game then said or why isn't it scaled down. would love to learn how you got remove it from the game from that. would also love to know what with gamers and being like "someone doesn't think this one aspect is perfectly balanced? let me piss and rage and strawman them into being as mad as i am rather than calmly explain it how i see it without letting my pride get bruised by their og post"

[BoD[6-4]]

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JocularJosh lähetti viestin:

No that's how it works in souls game. For DS1 you have to be human, for DS3 you had to be embered. Making yourself human or embering yourself up is what "activates" online functionality such as coop and PvP.

well yeah online services but in game summons aren't online so that part went over me

In dark souls offline summons work like online summon: you still have to be human/embered