SPIRIT ASHES STILL NOT FIXED

[Relius]

Dumb ♥♥♥♥♥ at fromsoft STILL cannot figure out how to make summons actually function. spent pretty much all dlc watching my spirit ashes LITERALLY STAND STILL AND DO NOTHING FOR A WHOLE MINUTE. Spirit ashes have always and will continue to be utterly useless aside from a 2nd target that can barely do its job as a target

[Sonnenbank]

Originally posted by Relius:

Dumb ♥♥♥♥♥ at fromsoft STILL cannot figure out how to make summons actually function. spent pretty much all dlc watching my spirit ashes LITERALLY STAND STILL AND DO NOTHING FOR A WHOLE MINUTE. Spirit ashes have always and will continue to be utterly useless.,....

lol....

Spirit Ashes reduce the difficulty of all bosses by at least 200%
thats the opposite of utterly useless
they allow you to hit a boss in the back for free damage

they allow you to have a free healing window

Some of them even do significant damage ( Tiche and MImic )

[scambammer]

I am a Land Squirt Summoner

[Jeris]

Originally posted by Sonnenbank:

Originally posted by Relius:

Dumb ♥♥♥♥♥ at fromsoft STILL cannot figure out how to make summons actually function. spent pretty much all dlc watching my spirit ashes LITERALLY STAND STILL AND DO NOTHING FOR A WHOLE MINUTE. Spirit ashes have always and will continue to be utterly useless.,....

lol....

Spirit Ashes reduce the difficulty of all bosses by at least 200%
thats the opposite of utterly useless
they allow you to hit a boss in the back for free damage

they allow you to have a free healing window

Some of them even do significant damage ( Tiche and MImic )

DLC has negated some of this. Bosses will spend most of their time on you (80%+) even with a gold summon or Mimic in play.

Still useful, but not as OP as it was in the base game.

[Sabaithal]

Originally posted by Jeris:

Originally posted by Sonnenbank:

lol....

Spirit Ashes reduce the difficulty of all bosses by at least 200%
thats the opposite of utterly useless
they allow you to hit a boss in the back for free damage

they allow you to have a free healing window

Some of them even do significant damage ( Tiche and MImic )

DLC has negated some of this. Bosses will spend most of their time on you (80%+) even with a gold summon or Mimic in play.

Still useful, but not as OP as it was in the base game.

Thats more broken if anything. It means I can just summon a DPS spirit (Mausoleum Soldiers) and hide behind a shield most of the time.

[Relius]

Originally posted by Jeris:

Originally posted by Sonnenbank:

lol....

Spirit Ashes reduce the difficulty of all bosses by at least 200%
thats the opposite of utterly useless
they allow you to hit a boss in the back for free damage

they allow you to have a free healing window

Some of them even do significant damage ( Tiche and MImic )

DLC has negated some of this. Bosses will spend most of their time on you (80%+) even with a gold summon or Mimic in play.

Still useful, but not as OP as it was in the base game.

it still doesnt change the fact that any given time i summon a spirit ash, it just stands there for a minute.

[Jeris]

Originally posted by Sabaithal:

Originally posted by Jeris:

DLC has negated some of this. Bosses will spend most of their time on you (80%+) even with a gold summon or Mimic in play.

Still useful, but not as OP as it was in the base game.

Thats more broken if anything. It means I can just summon a DPS spirit (Mausoleum Soldiers) and hide behind a shield most of the time.

except, the initial complaint was that they stand around too much. So, its the worst of both worlds.

[Sabaithal]

Originally posted by Jeris:

Originally posted by Sabaithal:

Thats more broken if anything. It means I can just summon a DPS spirit (Mausoleum Soldiers) and hide behind a shield most of the time.

except, the initial complaint was that they stand around too much. So, its the worst of both worlds.

Likely user error. I've had no issues with ashes doing their job. Likely OP is expecting the ashes to aggro independently of the user, which won't happen with most of them.

Or the opposite, they summoned a spirit ash that aggros independently, and ash in question didn't see the enemy the user wanted them to fight yet.

[Relius]

Originally posted by Sonnenbank:

Originally posted by Relius:

Dumb ♥♥♥♥♥ at fromsoft STILL cannot figure out how to make summons actually function. spent pretty much all dlc watching my spirit ashes LITERALLY STAND STILL AND DO NOTHING FOR A WHOLE MINUTE. Spirit ashes have always and will continue to be utterly useless.,....

lol....

Spirit Ashes reduce the difficulty of all bosses by at least 200%
thats the opposite of utterly useless
they allow you to hit a boss in the back for free damage

they allow you to have a free healing window

Some of them even do significant damage ( Tiche and MImic )

how do i get a healing window when my summon doesnt even engage until a minute into the fight

[Ace of Fours]

Can you blame them? They're still using AI from 2008.

[Wingnut Mcmoomoo]

different ones work better than others. the imps, jelly fish, deenh, and a few others i've tried are very active and stay good into late game as you upgrade them (the jellyfish and deenh are even tanky because they fly above alot of attacks, the imps have bleed buildup)

[Relius]

Originally posted by Sabaithal:

Originally posted by Jeris:

except, the initial complaint was that they stand around too much. So, its the worst of both worlds.

Likely user error. I've had no issues with ashes doing their job. Likely OP is expecting the ashes to aggro independently of the user, which won't happen with most of them.

how do you even get to that conclusion. the job of a summon is to ENGAGE not stroll down the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ road while youre trying to avoid spell spam. not to mention, how the ♥♥♥♥ do you use an ash incorrectly. you just summon it and you cant do anything else.

[Sabaithal]

Originally posted by Relius:

Originally posted by Sabaithal:

Likely user error. I've had no issues with ashes doing their job. Likely OP is expecting the ashes to aggro independently of the user, which won't happen with most of them.

how do you even get to that conclusion. the job of a summon is to ENGAGE not stroll down the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ road while youre trying to avoid spell spam

Try getting the targets attention first. Then the spirit ash should aggro.

Unless it is one of the ones that engages independently, in which case the problem is that the spirit ash simply didn't see the enemy you want them to fight.

In fact, which spirit ash specifically are you having issues with?

[Relius]

Originally posted by Sabaithal:

Originally posted by Relius:

how do you even get to that conclusion. the job of a summon is to ENGAGE not stroll down the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ road while youre trying to avoid spell spam

Try getting the targets attention first. Then the spirit ash should aggro.

Unless it is one of the ones that engages independently, in which case the problem is that the spirit ash simply didn't see the enemy you want them to fight.

bosses auto aggro. idk what kinda dumb ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ wisdom your trying to promote here

[Sabaithal]

Originally posted by Relius:

bosses auto aggro. idk what kinda dumb ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ wisdom your trying to promote here

Trying to explain game mechanics. Clearly I'm talking to a wall here

[Wingnut Mcmoomoo]

Originally posted by Relius:

Originally posted by Sabaithal:

Likely user error. I've had no issues with ashes doing their job. Likely OP is expecting the ashes to aggro independently of the user, which won't happen with most of them.

how do you even get to that conclusion. the job of a summon is to ENGAGE not stroll down the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ road while youre trying to avoid spell spam. not to mention, how the ♥♥♥♥ do you use an ash incorrectly. you just summon it and you cant do anything else.

I think if you use it then stand back and don't attack its using it incorrectly. You can also just straight up summon the wrong one, certain ash's just flat dont' work on some bosses.

Also if you're using a very off meta and clunky build then you would be wrong in using the mimic tear... i've had a few builds where the mimic tear is the worst choice because it can't use whatever dumb gimmick i made.

You can also mess up an ash summon by summoning it too late or early or by summoning it near the edge of a summon area and having it blink out because you rolled backwards.

Ash's aren't hard to use but they aren't an insta win button if used without any thought.