planning an int poise breaking build. any suggestions?

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where im at currently is a build with a magic meriscord build where i mostly want to focus on breaking postures as easily as possible. Id also like to keep the aesthetic of a magic assassin type of character so im trying to avoid using much more than the dagger and the stuff. If i do use a secondary weapon it would be something relatively light and unintrusive. Maybe a magic broadsword with stand off or a godskin stitcher with glinstone pebble or soemthing.

for spells i was thinking of using stuff like cannon of haima and gavel of haima. I hear that the glintblade stuff is good as well but im not sure if the greatblade one, the usual glintblade spell, or the glintblade as an ash of war is optimal for stance damage.

Id like to any suggestions for stuff i can add to this build or maybe even a resource i can use to find stance damage of all kinds of attacks. Thanks in advance

[Lord Bob]

Get the Cragblade Ash of War. Basically, it raises the stance damage a weapon deals, on top of being a small damage buff. Try to use heavy attacks as much as possible, consider using the Stonebarb Tear in your Physick, as it raises dealt stance damage even further.

edit: also, against shield wielding enemies, get the Kick Ash of War, which in a single activation will often break their guard and open them up for a riposte. The Hammer Talisman even enhances Kick even further.

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Originalmente postado por Lord Bob:

Get the Cragblade Ash of War. Basically, it raises the stance damage a weapon deals, on top of being a small damage buff. Try to use heavy attacks as much as possible, consider using the Stonebarb Tear in your Physick, as it raises dealt stance damage even further.

edit: also, against shield wielding enemies, get the Kick Ash of War, which in a single activation will often break their guard and open them up for a riposte. The Hammer Talisman even enhances Kick even further.

considered this ash of war, but its a little too far from the aesthetic im going for despite def being effective. My drink would probably be mixed with the stonebarb tear and the one that makes me do more magic damage perhaps.

the kick does also seem like a good choice. that combined with buckler parry/carrian retaliation can make it easy to deal with random goons. Might even consider using hidden body for easier backstabs.

[Sephylon]

Spells seem too flashy for an assassin, night sorceries are specifically for assassin mages of nox. As for poise breaking spells, the rock sling is your best bet. Could also try parry or carian phalanx aow.

[Lord Bob]

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Might even consider using hidden body for easier backstabs.

Adding to this, there's an Ash of War called Assassin's Gambit which is similar to hidden body. By sacrificing a small amount of hp, the users body will be slightly less visible, on top of dampening footsteps.

edit: Assassin's Gambit and Hidden body combined render lock on in pvp effectively useless, as the distance to lock to you is decereased dramatically. Just fyi.

[cybercybercybercyber4]

glintblade phalanx from the rodgiers rapier.
Does 40 stance damage without the follow up, will break most stances on second use.

this is your best option, its unfortunately a bit too good.
best resource would be fextralife.

[TheNinjaJesus]

Onyx Lord's Greatsword has good dex, int, and str scaling. Good damage in a curved greatsword. the ash of war is a repulsion bubble with good range, damage, and decent (but not exceptional) poise break. That'd be my recommendation for a primary weapon.

If you wanted to stick with the dagger no matter what, gravitas as an ash of war has a pull-in effect with similar perks as the Onyx Lord's Greatsword, the ability to infuse cold for some stat procs. Can't vouch for the feel you're going for but those are two options I endorse for magic positioning ability. Plus the concept of a gravity magic assassin is pretty cool.

Truth be told, Fallingstar Beast Jaw was absolutely what you wanted to have but they massively nerfed the poise damage on the ash of war.

[Old Captain Yon]

Originalmente postado por cybercybercybercyber4:

glintblade phalanx from the rodgiers rapier.
Does 40 stance damage without the follow up, will break most stances on second use.

this is your best option, its unfortunately a bit too good.
best resource would be fextralife.

I second this, best poise breaking ash of war even for non int builds. You can also try and use Gavel of Haima BUT to ensure you can charge it up and trade with a boss, off-hand the staff with a weapon that has endure on it in main hand.

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Originalmente postado por Lord Bob:

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Might even consider using hidden body for easier backstabs.

Adding to this, there's an Ash of War called Assassin's Gambit which is similar to hidden body. By sacrificing a small amount of hp, the users body will be slightly less visible, on top of dampening footsteps.

edit: Assassin's Gambit and Hidden body combined render lock on in pvp effectively useless, as the distance to lock to you is decereased dramatically. Just fyi.

under the assumption that i can get the same effect by using the black knife torso along with hidden body. if so this is very good to know.

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Originalmente postado por Old Captain Yon:

Originalmente postado por cybercybercybercyber4:

glintblade phalanx from the rodgiers rapier.
Does 40 stance damage without the follow up, will break most stances on second use.

this is your best option, its unfortunately a bit too good.
best resource would be fextralife.

I second this, best poise breaking ash of war even for non int builds. You can also try and use Gavel of Haima BUT to ensure you can charge it up and trade with a boss, off-hand the staff with a weapon that has endure on it in main hand.

found a good source for looking at stance damage and yeah this ash of war is kind of insane. i was thinking the greatblade phalinx spell would do much more but it does a whole 31?!? Very odd. The spell phalinx spells are also much less than i thought theyd be.

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I think ive nearly finalized what Id like this build to look like. 60 int as my main damage stat. Misericord and a Rodgiers Rapier with the dagger having carian phalinx and the rapier having either endure or glintstone pebble. Found that glintstone pebble does a ton of stance damage as well with the pebble doing 15 and the thrust follow up doing 37 for a total of 52!! So my set up would be something like great blade phalinx on my dagger, then either chain gavels of haima or a glintstone pebble for big stance breaks.

My tailsmans will be the dagger talisman for more crit damage, as well as the red and blue ones that heal your hp and hp on riposte, with my last one being blue scorpion or something.

Spells will probably just be both the Haima spells, glintstone pebble for chip damage and fp efficiency, and hidden body for stealth larping.

Not sure about the staff. Was thinking of using Azurs for the extra cast speed? Then id have either a buckler to parry with or a smaller but fashionable sheild to put carian retaliation on.

Id like to thank everyone for their suggestions here. Very helpful and creative stuff. Feel free to leave further suggestions as ill probably enjoy reading any further thoughts from you guys! Cheers

[Old Captain Yon]

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I think ive nearly finalized what Id like this build to look like. 60 int as my main damage stat. Misericord and a Rodgiers Rapier with the dagger having carian phalinx and the rapier having either endure or glintstone pebble. Found that glintstone pebble does a ton of stance damage as well with the pebble doing 15 and the thrust follow up doing 37 for a total of 52!! So my set up would be something like great blade phalinx on my dagger, then either chain gavels of haima or a glintstone pebble for big stance breaks.

My tailsmans will be the dagger talisman for more crit damage, as well as the red and blue ones that heal your hp and hp on riposte, with my last one being blue scorpion or something.

Spells will probably just be both the Haima spells, glintstone pebble for chip damage and fp efficiency, and hidden body for stealth larping.

Not sure about the staff. Was thinking of using Azurs for the extra cast speed? Then id have either a buckler to parry with or a smaller but fashionable sheild to put carian retaliation on.

Id like to thank everyone for their suggestions here. Very helpful and creative stuff. Feel free to leave further suggestions as ill probably enjoy reading any further thoughts from you guys! Cheers

If you are a caster build, I'd strongly suggest taking Radagon's soreseal instead of scorpion. You lose like 15% magic damage (while only 3/5 of your primary damage source - the misericorde - is magical) but get health, stamina and most importantly equip load for heavier armor. Pebble poise damage sadly got nerfed but it is still a very nice option for pvp, if you want a similar weapon art that hits hard and is actually busted , use Glintstone Kris dagger. You CAN take azur staff since you won't be casting much between aow's and crits, but i'd take something that doesnt increase spell cost, they are costly already and for poise casting you have endure so these couple moments of faster casting are quite a minor difference. If you want some JUICY crit dmg, slap Royal knights resolve on misericorde and activate it before a crit. So that you have 2 sets of weapons: one is staff and smth with endure, other is rapier with phalanx and a misericorde. Glintstone kris if you wanna for some reason play mage and nuke something from afar. Glintstone pebble is only viable as stance-breaker on larger weapons like greatswords.

[CazadorDeLobo]

Rather than Cragblade, consider one of the Warcry Ash of Wars on a weapon that has a meh R2. This is the poise break you may be looking for - as well as a significant multiplier to the R2's damage. Cragblade functions as a pure AR boost, while the standard Warcry R2 deals huge damage when fully charged + an AR boost.

I'm not entirely sure the interaction between the weapon's original poise damage and the Ashes' R2 poise damage, since the game handles attacks, animations, and base calculations intricately. All I know is, this let me cheese the hell out of the Gargoyle bosses with a Scythe, since the base R2s aren't as good as the Ash R2 in that situation. Led to easy crumples when not letting up aggression.

You'll want a combination of big and stronk, and nimble enough to disallow regeneration of their poise.

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Originalmente postado por Old Captain Yon:

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I think ive nearly finalized what Id like this build to look like. 60 int as my main damage stat. Misericord and a Rodgiers Rapier with the dagger having carian phalinx and the rapier having either endure or glintstone pebble. Found that glintstone pebble does a ton of stance damage as well with the pebble doing 15 and the thrust follow up doing 37 for a total of 52!! So my set up would be something like great blade phalinx on my dagger, then either chain gavels of haima or a glintstone pebble for big stance breaks.

My tailsmans will be the dagger talisman for more crit damage, as well as the red and blue ones that heal your hp and hp on riposte, with my last one being blue scorpion or something.

Spells will probably just be both the Haima spells, glintstone pebble for chip damage and fp efficiency, and hidden body for stealth larping.

Not sure about the staff. Was thinking of using Azurs for the extra cast speed? Then id have either a buckler to parry with or a smaller but fashionable sheild to put carian retaliation on.

Id like to thank everyone for their suggestions here. Very helpful and creative stuff. Feel free to leave further suggestions as ill probably enjoy reading any further thoughts from you guys! Cheers

If you are a caster build, I'd strongly suggest taking Radagon's soreseal instead of scorpion. You lose like 15% magic damage (while only 3/5 of your primary damage source - the misericorde - is magical) but get health, stamina and most importantly equip load for heavier armor. Pebble poise damage sadly got nerfed but it is still a very nice option for pvp, if you want a similar weapon art that hits hard and is actually busted , use Glintstone Kris dagger. You CAN take azur staff since you won't be casting much between aow's and crits, but i'd take something that doesnt increase spell cost, they are costly already and for poise casting you have endure so these couple moments of faster casting are quite a minor difference. If you want some JUICY crit dmg, slap Royal knights resolve on misericorde and activate it before a crit. So that you have 2 sets of weapons: one is staff and smth with endure, other is rapier with phalanx and a misericorde. Glintstone kris if you wanna for some reason play mage and nuke something from afar. Glintstone pebble is only viable as stance-breaker on larger weapons like greatswords.

DUDE RKR to boost the crit damage is actually so sick and frnakly you win the whole thread for suggesting that. So maybe the play will be Phalinx on the rapier, RKR, and the glintstone Kris as a weird 3rd thing. Its kind of a shame how much of the info you can find on this is just outdated nowadays. The source I found from reddit listing the pebble stance damage still says flame of the redmanes does 40.

Also yeah Azurs is probably not the right choice for me unless i can hit 70 virtual dex for the casting speed. My line of thinking was mostly that I want a staff that uses somber stones cause normal stones are weirdly way too hard to come by. I just now remembered that the crystal staff exists so I think thats gonna be the play.