Classic k***ht build?

[Greywander]

You got lances, you got horses, you got shields, you got suits of armor... You gotta do a knight build.

Obviously Lance in the right hand and some kind of Great Shield in the left, but what other weapons would work for a build like this? In the right hand, I feel like you want either a straight sword or greatsword, just for the style if nothing else, but I'm not sure which one. One issue here is having a reason to use one weapon or another, instead of just always using one particular weapon all the time. What exactly is the Lance bad at, and what would be a good sword to cover that weakness?

For the third right hand slot, I feel like we need a weapon with strike damage. Enemies with big resistances to thrust, slash, and standard damage, but a weakness to strike are not uncommon. I think the basic Mace fits the knight aesthetic pretty well, but a flail would work, too. I did notice that flails are actually higher up on the hardness scale, the same as colossal swords. A regular hammer will bounce off of those miners, while a flail will not. That said, heavy attacks don't bounce anyway, and miners aren't exactly difficult.

In the left hand, aside from the shield, I'm thinking some kind of ranged weapon, either a crossbow or a greatbow. Not sure what to use for the last slot, though. Maybe a torch? Or a sacred seal, if we put a few points into Faith? A second straight sword for power stancing?

What kind of loadout would you use for a classic knight build?

[Sirius]

I see what you did there with the title, well done.

Also, I think we recently had this exact thread (well, this exact question), and the consensus was that it's not a good idea, at least when thinking about lances and horseback fighting (though I could remember that wrong)

It just doesn't work in a way that's "accurate" to the feel you are looking for? Something like that.

Otherwise, there should be plenty of options without a brainstorm, no?

And for a "classic knight build", you wouldn't use FTH at all.
While a lot of actual knights probably had a lot of FTH, they didn't do anything with it, heh.
But that may be me.

[M.T. Fish]

Knight armor, blue-gold kite shield (the colors match), and longsword (and mace for mines). I made it past Morgott with this before I got bored and before I noticed any real damage fall-off from the longsword.

[Zogtar]

**I'm dumb, deleted the thing cuz I assumed the knight thing was about the nanny system...**

But to answer your question:

I think personally I'd stick with a flavor of in-game knight and do a cosplay build.

Crucible Knight is always a fun faith/knight combo, and might be up your alley with the spear/sword/shield.

Carian knights are fun and easy to do. Focus on carian armaments and spells.

[Alby]

Origineel geplaatst door Zogtar:

Crucible Knight is always a fun faith/knight combo, and might be up your alley with the spear/sword/shield.

i think this would be my ideal k***ht build. armor looks great and the incants are decent

[Greywander]

It's not Valve, I manually censored the title. This is a running gag in Souls games because they censor "♥♥♥" in any context, turning "knight" into "k***gt". An easy way around this is to replace the "i" with a "j", which looks similar enough and won't trip the censor.

It makes me sad that the Lance doesn't work as you'd expect on horseback. I feel like the Lance and similar weapons should default to being "couched", as in you can do damage just by running into enemies without pressing an attack button. This would make the Lance a natural weapon to use on your horse, though perhaps it would be too good. Eh, no point in whining about things that can't (or won't) be changed.

I only mentioned Faith because I was running out of things that made sense to equip in the off hand. Even with just a little Faith, you can still get access to some decent buff spells, so a sacred seal might make sense.

Seems like the main weakness of the Lance is that it's a pure poke weapon. Not only does this make it less ideal against groups, but certain bosses can have you locking on to a spot that's too far away to reach. So something with wide sweeps might be a nice complement to the lance. This, in turn, suggests maybe a longer weapon, so probably a greatsword rather than a longsword.

[Lynfinity]

Origineel geplaatst door Alby:

...and the incants are decent

There are decent Crucible incants, and then there's "Horns" one that is a certified pain train.

[Sirius]

Origineel geplaatst door Greywander:

It's not Valve, I manually censored the title. This is a running gag in Souls games because they censor "♥♥♥" in any context, turning "knight" into "k***gt". An easy way around this is to replace the "i" with a "j", which looks similar enough and won't trip the censor.

Origineel geplaatst door |x|SiriuS|x|:

I see what you did there with the title, well done.

Just in case that went over someone's head.

[Greywander]

The more I think about it, the availability of regular smithing stones makes it difficult to maintain more than one upgraded weapon until the endgame. Somber weapons are easier to manage as the stones are more abundant and available earlier. With that in mind, I should either be looking at somber weapons or focusing entirely on the Lance (assuming that's my main weapon).

Something else that occurs to me is that I can lean into different ashes of war, so if I did take a (non-somber) sword as a backup weapon it wouldn't need to perfectly fill the gaps of the Lance on it's own. By putting different skills on each weapon I can make each one good for different situations. I've heard people raving about Square Off, which is straight sword only.

[Zogtar]

Origineel geplaatst door Greywander:

The more I think about it, the availability of regular smithing stones makes it difficult to maintain more than one upgraded weapon until the endgame. Somber weapons are easier to manage as the stones are more abundant and available earlier. With that in mind, I should either be looking at somber weapons or focusing entirely on the Lance (assuming that's my main weapon).

Something else that occurs to me is that I can lean into different ashes of war, so if I did take a (non-somber) sword as a backup weapon it wouldn't need to perfectly fill the gaps of the Lance on it's own. By putting different skills on each weapon I can make each one good for different situations. I've heard people raving about Square Off, which is straight sword only.

I don't think you'll struggle too much.. Getting the bell bearings, and visiting all the mines/caves helps. Underground gives you even more.

I'm using 3 regular smithing stones weapons in a current playthrough, destroying everything in liurnia with level 10-12 weapons, which is about par.

[Honk1]

Origineel geplaatst door Greywander:

The more I think about it, the availability of regular smithing stones makes it difficult to maintain more than one upgraded weapon until the endgame. Somber weapons are easier to manage as the stones are more abundant and available earlier. With that in mind, I should either be looking at somber weapons or focusing entirely on the Lance (assuming that's my main weapon).

If you know the game a bit, this is a non-issue imho. You can get the first two bell bearings very early and you can get the third one after beating Morgott. If you spend some time doing coop or invading and spend the runes you get on smithing stones, it's easy to maintain several normal weapons at your current weapon level.

Origineel geplaatst door Greywander:

Something else that occurs to me is that I can lean into different ashes of war, so if I did take a (non-somber) sword as a backup weapon it wouldn't need to perfectly fill the gaps of the Lance on it's own. By putting different skills on each weapon I can make each one good for different situations. I've heard people raving about Square Off, which is straight sword only.

Some weapon suggestions apart from the Lance that fit the theme:

- Greatswords: Claymore and Knight's Greatsword are both very good.
- Great Hammers: Try the Great Mace, I think it's pretty cool.
- Greataxes: Crescent Moon Axe, good weapon, looks a bit more savage, but still fits the aesthetic imo.
- Colossal Sword: Zweihander.
- Straight Sword: Start with the Lordsworn Straight Sword. At the end of the game, you can try out the Miquellan Knight's Sword. It's a beautiful weapon with a unique heavy attack, but it's not used very much because it's not very flashy for how late in the game you get it. It has a faith requirement, but it's more of a quality weapon, and it really fits the Knight theme.
- Shield: Blue-Gold Kite Shield is a good suggestion. I think Medium Shields with one of the parry ashes of war are way more fun to use than Greatshields.

Additional armor suggestions:
- I like the Mausoleum Soldier set, it has a kind of low-ranking knight aesthetic.
- The Greathelm is peak knight fashion.

[SNAKEEEATER49910]

Why is the word knight censored?

[SnakeshyperTTV/Kick]

Light roll Mage build with 40 mind and braindead sorcery spam.

[Heater]

Origineel geplaatst door SNAKEEEATER49910:

Why is the word knight censored?

Them three little letters in the middle.

[Heater]

I made a character named "Clownshoes" and elden ring censored the "ho" in shoes.

[Zogtar]

Bro named a character assassin, and everyone got offended by ******in