worst PVE weapon?

[cybercybercybercyber4]

for that moonveil vs mirrors thread i thought it would be appropriate to suggest a manly weapon, but after some digging it turned out i have no clue which one is the manliest.
There probably isnt a definitive answer, so it comes down to opinion.

Please make your suggestion for what you think is the worst PVE weapon.

just a few rules, which are unfortunately neccessary:

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-being outclassed doesnt make a weapon the worst. The clawmark seal might be outclassed in every way by other seals but the ability to cast incantations on its own already makes it better than lots of other weapons.

-being only obtainable in the very late game makes a weapon quite useless for PVE, sure, but that doesnt make the weapon bad.

-no shields, no barehands (yes they are theoretically weapons, but they dont count)

-most weapons can be infused with ashes of war, in that case always the best possible infused AOW has to be taken into acount, not the basic AOW.

-treat it as if the player is locked onto the weapon, as if he cannot change it mid battle. So its not a utility tool to just be used in certain situations.

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my pick: carian knights sword.

[Honk1]

My guess is that you don't count torches because that would be a little cheap,

Carian Knights Sword is not a bad weapon imo, there are definitely lots of weapons which are a lot worse. [EDIT: The Clawmark Seal also isn't bad, even if you compare it to other seals - it gives Strength builds access to reasonably strong incantations with low faith investment.]

I haven't played with the Envoy's Horn, but I heard it's pretty bad. In general, Maces and Axes with the standard moveset feel pretty underwhelming to me, and the Envoys Horn is a Mace with weird scaling and a bad Ash of War which cannot be changed.

[Lynfinity]

Is this a stealth info gathering for Rusty's "All weapons tier list" video?

[cybercybercybercyber4]

Originally posted by Honk1:

My guess is that you don't count torches because that would be a little cheap,

i do count torches. I forgot they cant be infused.
And you might have just ended this thread as i dont expect anything to be weaker.

RIP thread.

[cybercybercybercyber4]

Originally posted by Lynfinity:

Is this a stealth info gathering for Rusty's "All weapons tier list" video?

no. I gave my motivation in the opening post. no shady business.

[CazadorDeLobo]

Torch Spear probably(can't change AOW, upgrades with normal smithing stones so it takes even more time/runes to get to a viable state, is just a regular ass spear with some weak flat fire damage)

[Vargas Erikson]

Torches are strong. Enemies with only torches have knocked me off my horse more times than I would like to admit.

[Vargas Erikson]

Hoslows petal whip is pretty bad

[Tetsuya_Kurogane]

Oh, oh! I collected about every single weapon in the game.
Being able to swap Ash of War really is a blessing that can turn any weapon into something fun.

So, I will point some of those weapon with a locked, non-unique, AoW that under perform.

Dagger: Scorpion's Stinger. The rot buildup would be more interresting if it could be infused with something else like Antspur Rapier. But no, stuck with Repeating Thrust with something having no reach at all.

Straight Sword: I like the Carian Knight sword. It has a unique R2 that give a period of blocking. No other weapon does that. Except it's poor cousin, the Lazuli Glintstone sword. Much shorter, less damage. Set with Pebble.
There is also another cousin weapon, Crystal and Rot crystal, but they come with spinning slash so that's good.

Thrusting Sword: Frozen Needle. Nice concept, horrible execution. The R2 throw a projectile, cool, but damage is horrible and the frostbite buildup is half of what a frost infused weapon would be.

Curved Greatsword: Zamor Curved Sword. Cool design, not bad unique AoW. But much shorter than the rest of it's familly and bad damage scaling and frost buildup.

Hammer: Varré'S Bouquet. Underperform in damage, but that is still one cool weapon to have a good laugh. No swappin Aow, but it can be buffed with grease and spell and make use of Arcane Scaling, so it has uses.

That's what comes to mind. I would also add all the Gargoyles and Black Gargoyles weapons. Kinda underperformed in their weapon familly.

[Sephylon]

staff of the guilty a fai scaling staff for a bleed sorcery

[ressenmacher]

Counting torches, probably the basic Torch - lowest base damage, lowest scaling, no status ailment, no weapon art.

Otherwise, probably an uninfusable (i.e. no status) dagger or fist weapon because their low reach and poise damage make them less usable vs pretty much everything. I would probably go for the Ivory Sickle/Glintstone Knife or Grafted Dragon, which both have low overall AR that is split, bad scaling spread over multiple stats, and which cannot be infused, buffed, or WA swapped.

[oooOOOOOHHH!!!!]

Carian Knight sword? My brother in Christ that sword is insane. Built in Carian Grandeur, high base damages and scaling, straight sword moveset AND a unique heavy attack that gives you hyper armored and counts as a block? The only reason no one uses this bad boy is Moonveil exists and works with more or less the same stats, but its not even a bad PVE weapon, much less the worst one.

[Zogtar]

Bare hands, no contest. Turrible.

[Dollmaker]

Varre's bouquet is up there, the dmg of this thing is abysmal without constant bleed procs from bleed buffs.

no kidding, it does less dmg than daggers while being a hammer

[Honk1]

Originally posted by ressenmacher:

Counting torches, probably the basic Torch - lowest base damage, lowest scaling, no status ailment, no weapon art.

Otherwise, probably an uninfusable (i.e. no status) dagger or fist weapon because their low reach and poise damage make them less usable vs pretty much everything. I would probably go for the Ivory Sickle/Glintstone Knife or Grafted Dragon, which both have low overall AR that is split, bad scaling spread over multiple stats, and which cannot be infused, buffed, or WA swapped.

You mean the Crystal Knife, I didn't think about that one... it might be the worst or close to it, and not only is it a bad weapon, it's particularly infuriating because it looks cool and they made it bad in a very boring way.

[Sephylon]

Originally posted by Bionicle Exo Toa (ultimate form):

Carian Knight sword? My brother in Christ that sword is insane. Built in Carian Grandeur, high base damages and scaling, straight sword moveset AND a unique heavy attack that gives you hyper armored and counts as a block? The only reason no one uses this bad boy is Moonveil exists and works with more or less the same stats, but its not even a bad PVE weapon, much less the worst one.

I'd say the fact that its aow, carian grandeur, does more damage on any other sword set to magic is a bigger factor to its non use than moonveil. And as nice as its guarding charged heavies are, the normal heavies of straight swords are better damage wise, and shields offer better blocks. Its only saving grace is that its fashion souls is broken levels of op