ELDEN RING

ELDEN RING

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Greywander 12. dec. 2023 kl. 15:58
Do other tarnished have maidens and great runes?
It's stated pretty much outright that each tarnished has their own maiden and our character is an anomaly for not having one. We do find a couple of finger maidens in the game:
  • Hyetta, who seems to become our finger maiden if we inherit the Flame of Frenzy.
  • Therolina, who is one candidate for the player's maiden, intercepted by Seluvis and turned into a puppet.
  • The dead maiden in the Chapel of Anticipation, the other main candidate for the player's maiden.
  • The dead maiden at the Church of Inhibition, which is probably Vyke's maiden.
Bernahl's maiden is also referenced in his armor set as having burned herself in the Flame of Frenzy. Varre presumably killed his own maiden. And that's it.

Where is Gideon's maiden? Fia's? Godfrey's? D's? Roderika's? Nepheli's? Do any of them have maidens? Or do we just not see them?

In a similar vein, Gideon tells us we can't be considered a true member of the Roundtable until we obtain a great rune and receive the wisdom of the Two Fingers. This in turn implies that all other members of the Roundtable already have a great rune. Or perhaps everyone else at the Roundtable is, as Gideon calls them, a "namby-pamby tarnished" who has yet to prove themselves. But surely Gideon himself has a great rune, right? It wouldn't make sense that he was consider himself the leader of the Roundtable, yet demand we obtain a great rune before we can join while he himself has none.

Dark Souls had the explanation that the fading of the fire screws with the flow of time. So it isn't inconceivable that two different characters could fight and defeat the same boss, as these essentially occur on separate timelines. Those timelines reconnect, sometimes briefly when we encounter an NPC, and sometimes permanently when the character dies or goes hollow (their quest is at an end, so there's no further point in maintaining a separate timeline for them). This can explain how two different people could kill the same boss and get the same lord soul.

Elden Ring, as far as I'm aware, doesn't have anything like this, so it couldn't be used as an explanation for how two different characters might have both obtained the same great rune from the same boss. If Gideon, or anyone else, does have a great rune, it would have to be one we never had access to. Gideon doesn't drop it when we kill him, however, which would make sense if he did have one of the same great runes as us (we already have it, so we can't get it again; it's literally the same rune). Or it simply means he never had a great rune. Perhaps none of the other tarnished managed to get even a single great rune, but I have a little trouble buying that.

It would have been interesting if we went to fight a demigod, only to find them already dead and another tarnished standing over them. We would then fight that tarnished in order to take the great rune they had just claimed from that demigod. Though the fact this doesn't happen makes me wonder if it couldn't happen. Perhaps like in Dark Souls, there's some shenanigans going on that would prevent stealing a great rune from another tarnished, and instead require each tarnished to fight that demigod to obtain that great rune, even if that demigod has already been beaten by another tarnished.
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Nophex 12. dec. 2023 kl. 16:11 
i see alot of maidens with thrusting weapons in the arenas if anyone needs one
Sabaithal 12. dec. 2023 kl. 18:22 
I think Fia is Godfrey's maiden. Think about, it kinda fits considering...
Sabaithal 12. dec. 2023 kl. 18:24 
Also Gideon is a poser that sends goons to do his work for him because he cannot do it himself, yet elects himself to be in charge and lords his rank over everyone. Truly maidenless behavior right there.
Sidst redigeret af Sabaithal; 12. dec. 2023 kl. 18:25
Knavenformed 12. dec. 2023 kl. 18:57 
For me it boils down to most of the game being full of unreliable narrators.
The main Tarnished/Maiden dynamic is the preaching of the Two-Fingers, even though the Three-Fingers can also be served by both and the dynamic can be created in time with the case of Hyetta, and Fia as the maiden of Godwyn can also be in shared service of the player character if they choose to align with those who live in death.

There are multiple dead demigods in the realm, and so the other Tarnished may have had their hands on the shards of the Elden Ring before losing them to the current holders, making them honorary in the Roundtable Hold before your coming.

Also most of them have lost sight of both grace and their mission, only a handful of them are abiding the goal set for the Tarnished, like Rogier even after losing grace.
In that state, they've either lost their maiden or don't have a need for one anymore.

But I wonder, who states us being Maidenless to be an "anomaly"?
Varre just states that you are one, and he is not to be trusted when it comes to absolutes as he already has lost sight of the mission of the Tarnished and turns to hunt his kin.

And the Tarnished are already people who've endured battle and grown in the far away land, some of them would also be Maidenless yet powerful as they'd transfer from their state of death, case in point level differences and gear on the risen Tarnished.

So either dead or maidenless is open for all.
In the case of Fia and Roderika I believe them to be Tarnished Maidens, able to grant power to different people/beings while themselves being Tarnished.
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