Hot take: Mohg is HARDER than Malenia.

[PuttBlug]

I'm talking without summons, spirits or players. Just you vs the boss. His second phase is almost impossible to dodge when he pukes that ♥♥♥♥ all over the place. I'll try to see if the shackle helps but I'm not sure.

[Lu2]

depends on tactic . extreme bleed output will kill him fast before he even have chance atack in second phase but be warry bleed proc makes him stonger so for slow aproach dont use bleed on him , he will deal less damage

[[Operator] Domsch]

BS bossfight as all later on in the game. Though i had him on second try, this boss is a perfect example how F-ed up this game can be. On first try he just spammed that fire vomit over and over and over....

[Lynfinity]

Publicado originalmente por Martini:

Real talk: Radagon is way more fun than both of them

Amen. Still wish for a proper second phase, though. The Elden Beast just doesn't work as the final boss fight.

[Lu2]

Publicado originalmente por Operator Domsch:

BS bossfight as all later on in the game. Though i had him on second try, this boss is a perfect example how F-ed up this game can be. On first try he just spammed that fire vomit over and over and over....

same goes for malenia . she can spam water dance and purple guys or just spam flower drop . its kinda rng

[GamingWithSilvertail]

Publicado originalmente por Lynfinity:

Publicado originalmente por GamingWithSilvertail:

Melenia is harder because of 6 moves she does, and even pro's die vs her.

Malenia is harder until you figure out how to consistently dodge Waterfowl Dance. Once that's done, she poses close-to-zero threat.

The most problem I had with her was her clone move, not her waterfow. Yes if it hits you you are probally death...

But most people do have a certain talisman by that point.

[Krazy Wallet]

Publicado originalmente por Operator Domsch:

BS bossfight as all later on in the game. Though i had him on second try, this boss is a perfect example how F-ed up this game can be. On first try he just spammed that fire vomit over and over and over....

I can't necessarily agree with this. Mohg is one of my favorite bosses in this game. If he's throwing fire all the time, it sounds like you were standing too far away. Were you playing a caster by chance?

[Mr.Fluffins]

I think Mohg was the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ boss I have encountered in this game so far. I died way more to Malenia, but I still found Mohg to be much more annoying. He has stupid attack hitboxes, some attacks that dont connect hit you, others that connect dont. In fact, he has a blind spot if you hug him basically, where many of his swings will simply miss you. He has, in my opinion, a stupid binary mechanic, and his second phase is just unpleasant to deal with as melee, with ground dots being everywhere, and him being able to chain fly attack into long dash into something else (if he feels like it), creating tons of downtime when you realistically cant really do anything except run around and dodge. He does an attack, I want to strike back, he flies away, going ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in a different corner of the arena. I go there, he throws bleed proc dot in my face, poops blood dot under himself then flies away again. Truly fun.
He also seems to have almost no response to range spam, making him much easier for ranged combat (to be fair most of the game is).
Just an annoying, obnoxious fight that wasnt fun to deal with.
EDIT. But not harder than Malenia IMHO. If you think Malenia is easier, you just didnt deal with her super aggressive seed. I once had a run when she did 2 flower dances in phase 2 back to back, followed up immediately with her phantom attack. Or she just never does it in her 2 phase, only doing basic patterns that are easy to dodge and stagger. She is very random, with her difficulty changing wildly based on RNG, so I can see why some people can have vastly different experience with her.

[Backstabba]

Both are "hard" because they are poorly designed in different ways:

Mohg is very easy in phase 1 then becomes insanely difficulty in phase 2 but phase 2 can be skipped entirely. Also to make the phase 2 transition "Fair" you'd need an easily miss-able crystal tear.

That only drops from an invader that spawns from a quest that never indicates where to go to complete it to fight said invader to get the tear.

Also the crystal tear is completely useless outside of this specific Mohg fight as it does nothing everywhere else even against illusion Mohg.

He also has a "win more/lose less" where he gains a 20% damage buff every time he bleeds you or you bleed him.

This means a single bleed can make Mohg one shot most builds unless they have stacked both physical and fire resistance with 50+ vigor.

Melania just invalidates a lot of strategies, is massively over stated, and is more or less entirely RNG dependent.

If she spams water fowl dance the entire fight or water fowl dance and clone spam in phase 2 you're run is doomed no matter how well you play against her.

That and she has life steal(Which works even if 100% blocked invalidating shields) while having more hp then all 3 phases of Sister Frieda and Gael combined.

[Mr.Fluffins]

Publicado originalmente por Backstabba:

That and she has life steal(Which works even if 100% blocked invalidating shields) while having more hp then all 3 phases of Sister Frieda and Gael combined.

I have noticed that she lifesteals even when you i-frame her attacks with dodge, it seems that as long as her attacks connect, she heals. Hilarious.

[Naewyng]

Malenia is way harder.
Gitting gud is all you need for Mogh, but for Malenia that's not enough, you need to be gitting supper gudddddd.

[Lynfinity]

Publicado originalmente por GamingWithSilvertail:

Publicado originalmente por Lynfinity:

Malenia is harder until you figure out how to consistently dodge Waterfowl Dance. Once that's done, she poses close-to-zero threat.

The most problem I had with her was her clone move, not her waterfow. Yes if it hits you you are probally death...

But most people do have a certain talisman by that point.

Creating distance is the key. Only the last clone is capable of reaching you anywhere, so haul ass as soon as she telegraphs the attack and dodge the last clone.

Considering you can also outrun the first flurry of Waterfowl Dance, it's pretty funny how a simple sprint removes 90% of her lethality.

[GamingWithSilvertail]

Publicado originalmente por Lynfinity:

Publicado originalmente por GamingWithSilvertail:

The most problem I had with her was her clone move, not her waterfow. Yes if it hits you you are probally death...

But most people do have a certain talisman by that point.

Creating distance is the key. Only the last clone is capable of reaching you anywhere, so haul ass as soon as she telegraphs the attack and dodge the last clone.

Considering you can also outrun the first flurry of Waterfowl Dance, it's pretty funny how a simple sprint removes 90% of her lethality.

You cant outrun her clones. At least not from my experience cause I am melee. I dont really have a problem staying close.


You have to roll right left right left streight.

I have no problem dodging waterfowl (Two times away and then into)

[Lynfinity]

Publicado originalmente por GamingWithSilvertail:

You cant outrun her clones. At least not from my experience cause I am melee.

You most definitely can. I am melee too and this is what I've been doing all the time - just beeline away from her. Like I said, only the last clone has to be dodged no matter where you are. All the other ones are attacking in close to medium range, so the good ol' spacing game renders them harmless.

[[Operator] Domsch]

Publicado originalmente por Krazy Wallet:

Publicado originalmente por Operator Domsch:

BS bossfight as all later on in the game. Though i had him on second try, this boss is a perfect example how F-ed up this game can be. On first try he just spammed that fire vomit over and over and over....

I can't necessarily agree with this. Mohg is one of my favorite bosses in this game. If he's throwing fire all the time, it sounds like you were standing too far away. Were you playing a caster by chance?

Nope, Melee. Everytime i tried to get close, he jumped away and did the vomit thing.
Yesterday i did the Twin gargoyle boss, the twinblade one just did the spinning, the other one just flew around on first try. On second try.....they were like "nah, don´t care"

[phosTR]

He pissing blood all over the place is very annoying and i find it very hard to dodge or at least not bled because of that constant spam.