Max level means nothing

[Odal]

I used a trainer to max all attributes to 99. And You know what? There was no difference, or hardly any at all, with level 1 wretch. I could not oneshot the first soldiers I met in Limgrave, and when I tried killing the bear in Dragonbarrow Cave, with the great sword I had gotten in Limgrave, held with two hands, I hardly put a dent on the bear's health, and I was the one dying very quickly!
Apparently, you need to upgrade your weapons also. I know out of, limited, experience, that an upgraded weapon with weak attributes has also very little effects.

[An Irate Walrus]

Skill.

Issue.

[Fineous🔥]

As a max level myself who actually put some effort to get there all i have to say is, no.

Have a good <Whatever you have in your country> and bless you.

[Bricky strong]

upgrade weapons, get better armor and you need 4 good talismons.

[MULTIPASS]

Originally posted by Odal:

Apparently, you need to upgrade your weapons also.

Case closed. If you use a +0 weapon that has practically no scaling at all, increasing your stats will do next to nothing. That's why we always tell brand new players to level vigor first.

Also, dragonbarrow is a high-level zone and that runebear is tough even if you have appropriate upgrades.

[ajv941]

I mean your test is flawed and you're exaggerating, but overall you don't get the power spike you'd expect in raw stats from such a huge investment.

However, you get to infuse bleed weapons and only lose like 2% AR, you get access to things like black flame's protection for free + any array of spells that you deem useful, your stamina bar is double or more of a meta level character (with a mind bar to match), and you're light rolling with poise and softswaps.

[Dr.Acula]

Runebears are the most difficult enemies in this game (only knights of the jar come even close with their extreme randomness). Runebears have a ton of health and hit like trucks while having really aggressive movesets and difficult to dodge. If it's possible to avoid then don't fight them.

Also upgrading weapons is important.

[Sabaithal]

- Doesn't upgrade weapons at all
- Tries to kill one of the most insanely buffed up runebears in the game

[Fineous🔥]

195 hours played....Rennala being the biggest kill and butchering Elden Ring with mods without understanding the weapon upgrade and scaling system.

Sad....but hey i hope you are having fun and even if you dont MIYAZAKI HAS YOUR CASH!

[Sephylon]

Originally posted by MULTIPASS:

Originally posted by Odal:

Apparently, you need to upgrade your weapons also.

Case closed. If you use a +0 weapon that has practically no scaling at all, increasing your stats will do next to nothing. That's why we always tell brand new players to level vigor first.

Also, dragonbarrow is a high-level zone and that runebear is tough even if you have appropriate upgrades.

Dragonbarrow is the one with the bullgoat talisman?

[Fineous🔥]

Originally posted by Sephylon:

Originally posted by MULTIPASS:

Case closed. If you use a +0 weapon that has practically no scaling at all, increasing your stats will do next to nothing. That's why we always tell brand new players to level vigor first.

Also, dragonbarrow is a high-level zone and that runebear is tough even if you have appropriate upgrades.

Dragonbarrow is the one with the bullgoat talisman?

Yes.

[zero]

basic dagger has 82 AR with base wretch, with 99 in str/dex has 144 AR, which is 75% increase.

at +25 lvl 1 it'd be 212, and at double 99 it'd be 440, which is more then double.

weapon smithing level plays the largest part in weapon damage, but there is a reasonable scaling.

next time upgrade your weapon.

[Odal]

I am trying to understand how calculations are made, and I am honestly drawing a blank. Of course it is a matter of skill and also how strong the weapon is. Still, we are talking about all levels maxed, and I cannot oneshot a lowly mob that yields 67 runes? There is definitely something strange going on with how calculations are made. If you think you understand it, please enlighten me.

[Sephylon]

Originally posted by Odal:

I am trying to understand how calculations are made, and I am honestly drawing a blank. Of course it is a matter of skill and also how strong the weapon is. Still, we are talking about all levels maxed, and I cannot oneshot a lowly mob that yields 67 runes? There is definitely something strange going on with how calculations are made. If you think you understand it, please enlighten me.

I can oneshot the godrick soldiers with a max refined wep on 80 str with a str wep. Like ppl said its about the scaling of the wep you use and +0 weps have horrible scaling

[An Irate Walrus]

Originally posted by Odal:

I am trying to understand how calculations are made, and I am honestly drawing a blank. Of course it is a matter of skill and also how strong the weapon is. Still, we are talking about all levels maxed, and I cannot oneshot a lowly mob that yields 67 runes? There is definitely something strange going on with how calculations are made. If you think you understand it, please enlighten me.

Just so you're aware, the "skill issue" thing was a riff on a pretty common gag here on the forum; it wasn't intended as a personal attack, but if you're new here, I can see how it might have read as one.

That's my bad.

As for scaling: upgrading your weapons can be thought of (inaccurately on a technical level, but I think the analogy is sound) as having a multiplicative effect on whatever damage bonuses your stats are conferring to your weapon(s)--so if you're using an STR based weapon at +0 with D scaling, your weapon is doing base damage +99 (again, I'm *really* oversimplifying here).

That same weapon, at +1, inflicts increased base damage plus bonus damage that is higher than the bonus damage of a +0 weapon of the same type without ever adjusting your stats.

Stat increases offer incremental improvements to damage; weapon upgrades multiply those increments, and weapons with better scaling (B or A ranks in particular) offer geometric increases with appropriate stats and weapon upgrades.

[Odal]

Originally posted by Sephylon:

Originally posted by Odal:

I am trying to understand how calculations are made, and I am honestly drawing a blank. Of course it is a matter of skill and also how strong the weapon is. Still, we are talking about all levels maxed, and I cannot oneshot a lowly mob that yields 67 runes? There is definitely something strange going on with how calculations are made. If you think you understand it, please enlighten me.

I can oneshot the godrick soldiers with a max refined wep on 80 str with a str wep. Like ppl said its about the scaling of the wep you use and +0 weps have horrible scaling

What abput magic spells. I used Glintstone pebble with the staff +0 and also +5. I also used the weapon from the first evergaol. with +2 somber smithing stones, and I coul;d hardly damage a boss. Once again, skill certainly plays a role, but I beat this boss quite a few times with much lower attributes!