Frenzied flame

[liosalpha]

Melina tries to give a heart felt plea not to use it in sake of there still being births and beauty in the lands between.
But who could she mean? the only beauty it the corruption it self, and the people have long lost the will to procreate, only children i know are those ankle biters by the full moon queen. The nobles are drawn to the all consuming fires of the dragons, the merchants kinda point you to the frenzied flame while seeming the ones that are still kinda thriving in hardship.
Avoiding the frenzied flame only helps the ones in power. the ones that made this rot possible. Aka the demigods, the greater will and it following. I find it rather telling that from all the endings this is the one she object to. like even the merciless dungeaters end is fine with her. In a sense she is the same as Blaidds was a shadow too Ranni. An companion created by the greater will that would turn in to a curse if the chosen one turns its self against the greater will. This is futher powered by the demigods fall from grace, that was extended to the tarnished, us.

[zero]

i mean yes, she is obviously gonna object to the one end that is bad for everything in existance, vs all the other endings, which vary from "status quo" to "great change" to "bad, but life still lives on"

especially considering in the context of the game she knows what the frenzied flame is, but that doesn't mean she knows about the rest of the endings or their implications.

[WinterCreation]

She wants the world and life in it to go on, bad or good.
Frenzied flame = sterilized dead world.

[liosalpha]

She does watch over you , know when you killed what and ad what random chuch of you are ad. she probably would know the dung eater. or adleast when you get his rune.

sometimes it better to start anew from nothing then to try and fix the mess you have

[Norm Macdonald's Ghost]

Originally posted by liosalpha:

She does watch over you , know when you killed what and ad what random chuch of you are ad. she probably would know the dung eater. or adleast when you get his rune.

sometimes it better to start anew from nothing then to try and fix the mess you have

Dung Eater's ending just brings more omens in the world. What do you have against omens?

[zero]

Originally posted by liosalpha:

She does watch over you , know when you killed what and ad what random chuch of you are ad. she probably would know the dung eater. or adleast when you get his rune.

sometimes it better to start anew from nothing then to try and fix the mess you have

knowing of dung eater does not nessiarily mean knowing the long term ramifications of his choice, or even if just accepting that its "very bad" that is still better then "the absolute end to everything"

the whole point of the flame of frenzy is that there is no "starting anew"

[Giga]

The world in its current deathless, rotting state because the elden ring is shattered. By freeing the rune of death from Maliketh and reassembling the elden ring, the player is able to restore "natural" order (eg., people being born, getting, old, dying, then getting reborn, becoming undead, or staying dead depending on which ending you choose, etc.).

The frenzied flame feels all of the above is wrong and that the greater will is to blame, and wants to do away with all of it. As Hyetta says after she becomes your maiden:

"I have touched them. The words of the Three Fingers. As your maiden, allow me to divine them. All that there is came from the One Great. Then came fractures, and births, and souls. But the Greater Will made a mistake. Torment, despair, affliction... every sin, every curse. Every one, born of the mistake. And so, what was borrowed must be returned. Melt it all away, with the yellow chaos flame. Until all is One again."

Essentially, the Frenzied Flame wants to reverse the Big Bang and allow everything to (possibly) start over in a better state.

[Sabaithal]

If you interpret the Erdtree as not a physical object but rather a religious symbol, then the Golden Order obviously has power over it. IE, those with power over the golden order have that power.

Burning the erdtree with the giantsflame is essentially revealing an ugly truth about what it was once used to commit, and some losing faith in it. But burning it down completely with the frenzy flame is revealing that the story behind it is a total lie, destroying all faith in it and bringing the entire system to the ground (as this is implied to be a theocracy). In essence, anarchy follows in its wake. And with anarchy comes lots of chaos and unnecessary death.

You have to remember that "death" and "destined death" are in fact two different concepts that describe different phenomenon. The second is closer to the classical definition of death, which is to say once you die, you dead, game over. The first is more of a temporary setback.

Though I will point out you don't need to burn the whole thing down to remove those in power. You can go to each one of the demigods in person and give them whats coming to them instead, then just help ranni achieve her goal (which is killing the two fingers).

[Convicted Retard]

If you played Dark Souls 1, 2 & 3 you would understand why linking the flame is a bad idea.

[Old Captain Yon]

Originally posted by liosalpha:

Melina tries to give a heart felt plea not to use it in sake of there still being births and beauty in the lands between.
But who could she mean? the only beauty it the corruption it self, and the people have long lost the will to procreate, only children i know are those ankle biters by the full moon queen. The nobles are drawn to the all consuming fires of the dragons, the merchants kinda point you to the frenzied flame while seeming the ones that are still kinda thriving in hardship.
Avoiding the frenzied flame only helps the ones in power. the ones that made this rot possible. Aka the demigods, the greater will and it following. I find it rather telling that from all the endings this is the one she object to. like even the merciless dungeaters end is fine with her. In a sense she is the same as Blaidds was a shadow too Ranni. An companion created by the greater will that would turn in to a curse if the chosen one turns its self against the greater will. This is futher powered by the demigods fall from grace, that was extended to the tarnished, us.

Melina is a manipulative c**nt just like Ranni. She imbues us with runes for us to clear the way for her, she wants to kill Margit and burn the Tree but is afraid of "real changes", she basically wants US to become Marika's consort. It is as if some big politician IRL gave me money and power and asked me to support everything he does on public... While being the one I hate and loathe (since tarnished were exiled and betrayed by Marika).

Ranni at least wants change, but I don't like her either. I don't want to be manipulated by gods and big guys. If I had a button that could destroy this wretched along with myself, I'd press it. And when a man comes at me and tries to manipulate me into burning the world by saying it would protect Melina... My guy. You could have said it from the start. I will not become the lord of gods and those who oppress and rule if I can burn them away.

"Those who gave me grapes howled without words.
Saying they wished they were never born.

Become their lord.
Take their torment, despair.
Their affliction.
Every sin, every curse.
And melt it all away."

These lines, especially the first one, are so frighteningly simple. Common people of Elden ring do not want a god or a lord. All they want is release of suffering. Lords that rule over them want everything else. The choice for me is pretty clear. No gods, no masters! And may Chaos take the world.