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Plank Jan 1, 2023 @ 8:52am
Lightroll not reliable anymore against Malenia's Waterfowl dance? (1.08)
Prior to 1.08 I could easily breeze through her Waterfowl dance with lightroll, no hits and no armor, but now it looks like either lightroll got nerfed or Waterfowl dance got buffed.
Anyone observe this perhaps?
Thanks
Last edited by Plank; Jan 1, 2023 @ 8:52am
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Sabaithal Jan 1, 2023 @ 9:28am 
I think waterfowl did get buffed, though I don't know exactly when.

Notably on the first flurry in waterfowl. Its tracking in singleplayer specifically is insane, much better than it was before. Even BHS has issues dodging it completely when trying to evade backwards, and the flurry itself can cover at least 50 feet in terms of distance. Honestly the only way I've been able to reliable dodge it is to get right in her face before she triggers it, then evade forward, through it with BHS.

The other two flurries seem unchanged though, strategy is the same for them.
Fineous🔥 Jan 1, 2023 @ 9:50am 
No. I kill her like 2 times each week. Midroll and no problem at all so imagine with lightroll.
Thats the bottom line really (unless they buffed her like yesterday....then i shut up).
Plank Jan 2, 2023 @ 12:35pm 
Originally posted by Sabaithal:
I think waterfowl did get buffed, though I don't know exactly when.

Notably on the first flurry in waterfowl. Its tracking in singleplayer specifically is insane, much better than it was before. Even BHS has issues dodging it completely when trying to evade backwards, and the flurry itself can cover at least 50 feet in terms of distance. Honestly the only way I've been able to reliable dodge it is to get right in her face before she triggers it, then evade forward, through it with BHS.

The other two flurries seem unchanged though, strategy is the same for them.

It's a bit weird, I dodge exactly like in the Ongbal video, sometimes I take damage from Malenia's Waterfowl dance regardless, regardless which flurry it is, sometimes it's a no hit, weird...
I think the lightroll feels the same, must be the watefowl got buffed

Originally posted by 𝕱𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖔𝖚𝖘🔥:
No. I kill her like 2 times each week. Midroll and no problem at all so imagine with lightroll.
Thats the bottom line really (unless they buffed her like yesterday....then i shut up).

Lightroll is good for every Malenia attack, except Waterfowl.
I killed her solo multiple times already thanks to the reverting backups. My problem I think was that since I was trying to parry her and whenever she started her Waterfowl attack she was way too close to me and dodging it was challenging.

But yeah I am further testing this...
Last edited by Plank; Jan 2, 2023 @ 12:53pm
Sabaithal Jan 2, 2023 @ 1:24pm 
Originally posted by Plank:
Lightroll is good for every Malenia attack, except Waterfowl.
I killed her solo multiple times already thanks to the reverting backups. My problem I think was that since I was trying to parry her and whenever she started her Waterfowl attack she was way too close to me and dodging it was challenging.

But yeah I am further testing this...
If you're that close its actually better. Dodge FORWARD the moment her first flurry starts. I've had more luck evading all damage this way than trying the normal method. Dodging backwards never seems to work anymore no matter the distance.
Last edited by Sabaithal; Jan 2, 2023 @ 1:41pm
FIRE Jan 2, 2023 @ 1:29pm 
They did not change anything about Malenia or light roll.

At least the patches didn't mention anything about either and there would be no reason for them to hide those changes completely.
Sabaithal Jan 2, 2023 @ 1:43pm 
Originally posted by Ymir:
At least the patches didn't mention anything about either and there would be no reason for them to hide those changes completely.
That doesn't mean anything. They make shadow changes in every update, mostly patching glitches and exploits. They try to modify that bird in the blood palace every single update (but it never works out) for example.

There were a number of exploits and glitches used in the early version of the game that no longer function, for example the cliff wall at the town in Conscreated snowfield, they changed the position of the wall itself so its impossible to climb now (people were using torrent climbing to bypass the evergaol).
Plank Jan 2, 2023 @ 1:49pm 
Originally posted by Sabaithal:
Originally posted by Plank:
Lightroll is good for every Malenia attack, except Waterfowl.
I killed her solo multiple times already thanks to the reverting backups. My problem I think was that since I was trying to parry her and whenever she started her Waterfowl attack she was way too close to me and dodging it was challenging.

But yeah I am further testing this...
If you're that close its actually better. Dodge FORWARD the moment her first flurry starts. I've had more luck evading all damage this way than trying the normal method.

hmm I will try and test. I noticed, the farther you are, the more her attack will catch up to you and Ongbal's way of dodging works in singleplayer only: 1) the run away or dodge away first flurry of attacks 2) then dodge once forward during next 3) then walk to the right and slightly back and the rest will literally go over your head lol and no damage.
In multiplayer that tends to hit me:
1) Need to run away or dodge two times back 2) One time forward 3) Two times back
Kama Nightfire Jan 2, 2023 @ 2:01pm 
Just did a RL1 +0 weapon kill of Malenia, rolling was fine.
FIRE Jan 2, 2023 @ 3:01pm 
Originally posted by Sabaithal:
That doesn't mean anything. They make shadow changes in every update, mostly patching glitches and exploits. They try to modify that bird in the blood palace every single update (but it never works out) for example.

There were a number of exploits and glitches used in the early version of the game that no longer function, for example the cliff wall at the town in Conscreated snowfield, they changed the position of the wall itself so its impossible to climb now (people were using torrent climbing to bypass the evergaol).

A change as big as buffing a boss or nerfing a main mechanic of the game would 100% be in the patch notes.

Just because they didn't list some random obscure exploits it doesn't mean that they wouldn't list something as important as a nerf to the roll.
Last edited by FIRE; Jan 2, 2023 @ 3:02pm
Plank Jan 2, 2023 @ 3:21pm 
Originally posted by Kama Nightfire:
Just did a RL1 +0 weapon kill of Malenia, rolling was fine.

I only had this issue when I was the host strangely, I was able to dodge every waterfowl as a summon.
Wow, one day I hope I can do RL1 0+, for now I can more or less dodge away and parry all of her parriable attacks if I don't panic, but still make some mistakes.
Last edited by Plank; Jan 2, 2023 @ 3:24pm
Sabaithal Jan 2, 2023 @ 3:26pm 
Originally posted by Ymir:
A change as big as buffing a boss or nerfing a main mechanic of the game would 100% be in the patch notes.
No, it wouldn't. Not if it was as small as "we adjusted the tracking/pathfix of one attack".

If they buffed/nerfed her stats that would be a different story.
Last edited by Sabaithal; Jan 2, 2023 @ 3:26pm
FIRE Jan 2, 2023 @ 3:28pm 
Originally posted by Sabaithal:
Originally posted by Ymir:
A change as big as buffing a boss or nerfing a main mechanic of the game would 100% be in the patch notes.
No, it wouldn't. Not if it was as small as "we adjusted the tracking/pathfix of one attack".

If they buffed/nerfed her stats that would be a different story.

OP's issue has nothing to do with either tracking or pathing. If the light roll supposedly isn't enough to dodge it anymore it would be a buff to her range/speed or nerf to the roll itself.

Light roll can outrun waterfowl no matter what her tracking is.

Those would be in the patch notes.
Last edited by FIRE; Jan 2, 2023 @ 3:32pm
Sabaithal Jan 2, 2023 @ 3:31pm 
Originally posted by Ymir:
OP's issue has nothing to do with either tracking or pathing. If the light roll supposedly isn't enough to dodge it anymore it would be a buff to her range/speed or nerf to the roll itself.
...it has everything to do with tracking/pathing. You literally just stated why yourself.
FIRE Jan 2, 2023 @ 3:33pm 
Originally posted by Sabaithal:
Originally posted by Ymir:
OP's issue has nothing to do with either tracking or pathing. If the light roll supposedly isn't enough to dodge it anymore it would be a buff to her range/speed or nerf to the roll itself.
...it has everything to do with tracking/pathing. You literally just stated why yourself.

It literally doesn't.

Range/speed has nothing to do with tracking and pathing lmao.

Tracking/pathing is the direction in which she uses things and how well she follows you with them aka aiming.

Range/speed are literal stats that would change how fast she moves forward or how far she hits. That's what she would need to make light roll not work anymore.
Last edited by FIRE; Jan 2, 2023 @ 3:34pm
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