Invading is stupid.

[Sean Maxhell]

I tried to invade with a low level character (20), and I always found it totally unbalanced.
First of all, the host can go as high as 20 levels above, which at low levels literally means twice as much.
Then it comes to ALWAYS having to face two opponents at a time minimum, of which, in 90% of cases, the summoned companion is an endgame character with RoB able to kill you with a single hit.
Even when the fight is balanced and you manage to defeat the host, the reward is limited to a pathetic number of runes and a useless runic arc.
In all of this the invader also risks losing his runes if he dies, especially now that you can invade somewhere on the map.

I don't want to stop playing this game, but by now I have reached ten characters and I can't do any more, and this is a huge, huge ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Matchmaking is unbalanced, the reward is pathetic, invading is stupid.

[Kleerex]

Don't invade them.

[Stan]

Just stop playing Pvp.

[Toad]

Originally posted by Sean Maxhell:

I tried to invade with a low level character (20)

Stop invading low level characters, and invade at a proper level. You're complaining you can't destroy players who are either new to the game, or running basic simple builds to get through to the next area.

The reason you're getting over-leveled phantoms paired with low level characters is because of people like you invading at such a level. It's an arms race that you started.

[40+13x-3=17x-363]

> Invades at twink levels.
> Gets destroyed.
> Cries and thinks invasions are what is stupid here.

[Lord Bob]

Originally posted by Sean Maxhell:

I tried to invade with a low level character (20), and I always found it totally unbalanced.
First of all, the host can go as high as 20 levels above, which at low levels literally means twice as much.
Then it comes to ALWAYS having to face two opponents at a time minimum, of which, in 90% of cases, the summoned companion is an endgame character with RoB able to kill you with a single hit.
Even when the fight is balanced and you manage to defeat the host, the reward is limited to a pathetic number of runes and a useless runic arc.
In all of this the invader also risks losing his runes if he dies, especially now that you can invade somewhere on the map.

I don't want to stop playing this game, but by now I have reached ten characters and I can't do any more, and this is a huge, huge ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Matchmaking is unbalanced, the reward is pathetic, invading is stupid.

Why do you invade exactly?

Is it for the reward, so the rune arcs or the runes you get out of it?

Are your frustrated if you die during an invasion only to lose your runes so you have to collect them again?

Do you think it is unfair to fight an overleveled phantom only to get oneshot by his overpowered weapon art?


Or do you invade because you found an interesting mechanic that your build revolves around?

To cosplay as that one character from another game you like so much, or even a character you made up yourself ages ago which you also have played in a lot of other games?

To take part in, and actually BE a part of the level your host is playing through.

Being the opposing force, hindering those lowly Tarnished to accomplish their goal?
To oppose the Erdtree and all that serve it, or to aid the formless Mother?

Or simply for the thrill of invading.

What do you think can be done against overleveled phantoms and their builds?
Or more precisely, what do you believe can be done against your frustration, to make invasions fun again?

Don't give up skeleton, you will find a way. I believe in you

Edit: to clarfy, this post is neither against invaders or even low level invasions for that matter. More so the opposite of it.

[Dr.Guster]

Can any of you read? He doesnt say anything about twinking, You all start attacking him for asking a simple question.

Yes low level invasions are stupid. You eathier twink or get ♥♥♥♥♥♥ by overleveld ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.
And saying that invaders started this "arms race" is just plain stupid.

[Toad]

Originally posted by Dr.Guster:

And saying that invaders started this "arms race" is just plain stupid.

Invaders are entering the hosts world, not the other way around. So explain to me how it's the host's fault? If you invade at such a low level, you're knowingly participating in PvP against either a brand new player, or someone without a build/decent gear. When this happens, hosts are more likely to summon higher level phantoms to help protect them, which then invaders start min-maxing further to fight the odds. Rinse and repeat.

[LeftPaw]

I have still to get my head around what a invasion is apart from it's a NPC who has painted himself red and likes to grief people for apparently zero reasons.

[Dr.Guster]

How is it invaders fault? Hosts can just play solo, noone is forceing them to participate in multiplayer.

Originally posted by Toad:

If you invade at such a low level, you're knowingly participating in PvP against either a brand new player, or someone without a build/decent gear.

Thats called twinking/smurfing, and I agree, doing it is low. But what if Ivader is also a new player? Or is not useing any late game stuff. What then? He gets ♥♥♥♥♥♥.
Is it fair? No.
its also not fair if invader can 2shot host with some late game weapon.

The worst thing is that both sides are allowed to it. Level 20 host can summon 2 max level phantoms, whitch is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Invaders with endgame gear in starting location is also ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

If From cant scale phantoms down correctly, then there shouldnt be an option to summon them. There, fixed

And for twinks, Maybe something about unlocked locations? For exaple, you cant invade a dude who only unlocked limgrave if you went to altus plateau. This could work with some polishing

[pathtracer]

stop invading and drop a red sign if you want pvp, instead of trying to ruin other people's fun

[Sean Maxhell]

Originally posted by pathtracer:

stop invading and drop a red sign if you want pvp, instead of trying to ruin other people's fun

What a stupid idea. Do you really think that someone will summon me? It is hours that I'm waiting.

[KAM]

Originally posted by Sean Maxhell:

I tried to invade with a low level character (20), and I always found it totally unbalanced.
First of all, the host can go as high as 20 levels above, which at low levels literally means twice as much.
Then it comes to ALWAYS having to face two opponents at a time minimum, of which, in 90% of cases, the summoned companion is an endgame character with RoB able to kill you with a single hit.
Even when the fight is balanced and you manage to defeat the host, the reward is limited to a pathetic number of runes and a useless runic arc.
In all of this the invader also risks losing his runes if he dies, especially now that you can invade somewhere on the map.

I don't want to stop playing this game, but by now I have reached ten characters and I can't do any more, and this is a huge, huge ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Matchmaking is unbalanced, the reward is pathetic, invading is stupid.

I never invade early game because its usually twinks. Its much more balanced at SL60 and above. SL80 is the sweet spot imo

[SmallGespenst]

Originally posted by Dr.Guster:

Can any of you read? He doesnt say anything about twinking, You all start attacking him for asking a simple question.

Yes low level invasions are stupid. You eathier twink or get ♥♥♥♥♥♥ by overleveld ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.
And saying that invaders started this "arms race" is just plain stupid.

my dude. he's talking about low level invasions. given the steps needed to get the re-usable invasion items; every low level invader is a twink.
and yes; invaders started the arms race, I can't talk about Demon's Souls, but DS1 was rife with low level players invading in some of the earliest areas of the game while being practically invincible (humanity counts as free stats for the purposes of defence calculations) using endgame gear (fully upgraded of course~) and that game was even worse for "any low level invader is automatically a twink" since the only renewable source of invasion items is in an endgame area.
Invaders absolutely are guilty of starting the twink/counter-twink arms race.

[Taco Cat]

The PvP is stupid

[Gob]

Invading people uninvited who are just trying to enjoy a game is simply schadenfreude.

Look it up if you don't know what that is.