Why did Malenia allow Mogh to take her brother away?

[Valkyrie]

You know what really keeps my coconut busy wondering? Why did Malenia let Mogh steal her brother's body. Apparently the soul is somewhere else, in his dream world, where he slumbers. Was it on purpose? Is he using Mogh for some reason, since he has the ability to make people like him? I can't come up with a theory on this one. Mogh worships some out outter Goddess that has something to do with blood. And Malenia's blood is cursed with rot. He is trying to cure her, that's why he turned his back on the Golden Order, since the fundamentalists lack the power to cure Malenia. But maybe he hoped Mogh's outter goddess could? Then there is the needle, but the needle repels outter gods' influence, so maybe that was his way out, after using some goddess of blood to cure Malenia's blood issue. We know that the gold needle we use on Millicent is only a temporary fix. Uhm, almost keeps me up at night, this one.

[antonisvaik]

Originally posted by Valkyrie:

Originally posted by John Titor:

She doesn't die at the end of phase 1. Where is the bloom during the fight? Where is the bloom after Radahn's fight. You might see the problem of taking some of this stuff too literal.

The bloom after the fight is literaly in the arena, you can stick the gold needle into it. And she literaly blooms in the fight, I mean, you literaly see it. Where is the bloom after radahn is a good question though, I have no idea.

Well there aint no flower left after her fight with radahn because her blooming doesnt leave a flower. She only leaves them after she dies for real which is what happens when you beat the boss fight. That is why when she blooms after phase 1 it doesnt leave a flower. They are different things...

[Valkyrie]

Originally posted by antonisvaik:

Originally posted by Valkyrie:

Her first bloom was with Radahn, arguably the second one was in the Haligtree (you see outside of her arena) and the third one you witness yourself. But it leaves many questions unanswered, I found.

1 - where is the flower from the first bloom
2 - how did she bloom if she was in slumber after the fight with radahn
3 - if she wasn't in slumber, why did she not rescue her brother
4 - if her bloom in our fight is the second, then what is the flower outside her arena

Well here we go:

The bloom outside of her arena isnt Malenia's. Its from oner her daughters which is why the traveler's set is next to it.

1- There is no flower from the first bloom. Her blooming doesnt leave flowers. The flowers are left after her or one of her daughters die for real, not when they bloom (although I think malenia is the only one that can bloom). Thats why there isnt a flower in the swamp of aeonia and thats why there is one left in the boss room after you kill her and not after phase 1 which is when she blooms. There's also the fact that gowry asks you to kill millicent so she can flower into a valkyrie in the future, explaining what them "flowering" means.

2- She didnt

3- She is in slumber and has no idea as I've already said.

4- I already said above

When does he ask me to kill her? He asked me to save her from rot, but then that was it.

Edit: the travellers set is common to many characters, Melina included. So that's whishful thinking, really.

[Valkyrie]

Originally posted by Tregarde:

Originally posted by Valkyrie:

Where is the bloom after radahn is a good question though, I have no idea.

It's been ages since the battle. The bloom could have withered away. Leonard could have eaten it. The bloom may have expanded, and is the rot that now covers Caelid. Nothing ever said the blooms last forever.

This is a good point.

[antonisvaik]

Originally posted by Valkyrie:

Originally posted by antonisvaik:

Well here we go:

The bloom outside of her arena isnt Malenia's. Its from oner her daughters which is why the traveler's set is next to it.

1- There is no flower from the first bloom. Her blooming doesnt leave flowers. The flowers are left after her or one of her daughters die for real, not when they bloom (although I think malenia is the only one that can bloom). Thats why there isnt a flower in the swamp of aeonia and thats why there is one left in the boss room after you kill her and not after phase 1 which is when she blooms. There's also the fact that gowry asks you to kill millicent so she can flower into a valkyrie in the future, explaining what them "flowering" means.

2- She didnt

3- She is in slumber and has no idea as I've already said.

4- I already said above

When does he ask me to kill her? He asked me to save her from rot, but then that was it.

Edit: the travellers set is common to many characters, Melina included. So that's whishful thinking, really.

1 - Throughtout Millicent's questline you can talk to Gowry after every step and he has new dialog. At some point, I think when she arrives at the haligtree Gowry will tell you to kill her so she can flower into a valkyrie of rot. Thats why there is a sign for you to invade her in the haligtree and after you kill her she leaves a flower like Malenia's and the one outside her bossroom.

In general if you talk to gowry throughout Millicent questline you will understand that he is a lunatic who worships the order of rot and wants you to help Millicent so you can gain her friendship and trust which means that when you murder her later she will flower into something far greater than she ever could, as he says. You can look up his dialog on the wiki.

2 - Its only worn by Millicent, her sisters and Melina. If it was Malenia's flower why would they place next to it the set worn by her daughters who can also flower as mentioned by gowry. Besides I've already mentioned why this being Malenia's flower makes no sense since they only flower when killed for real and its a different thing than Malenia blooming

[Valkyrie]

Originally posted by antonisvaik:

Originally posted by Valkyrie:

When does he ask me to kill her? He asked me to save her from rot, but then that was it.

Edit: the travellers set is common to many characters, Melina included. So that's whishful thinking, really.

Throughtout Millicent's questline you can talk to Gowry after every step and he has new dialog. At some point, I think when she arrives at the haligtree Gowry will tell you to kill her so she can flower into a valkyrie of rot. Thats why there is a sign for you to invade her in the haligtree and after you kill her she leaves a flower like Malenia's and the one outside her bossroom.

In general if you talk to gowry throughout Millicent questline you will understand that he is a lunatic who worships the order of rot and wants you to help Millicent so you can gain her friendship and trust which means that when you murder her later she will flower into something far greater than she ever could, as he says. You can look up his dialog on the wiki.

Its only worn by Millicent, her sisters and Melina. If it was Malenia's flower why would they place next to it the set worn by her daughters who can also flower as mentioned by gowry. Besides I've already mentions why this being Malenia's flower makes no sense since they only flower when killed for real and its a different thing than Malenia blooming

Uhhh need to check this! Thank you!!

[Darkside99x]

Originally posted by antonisvaik:

Originally posted by Valkyrie:

The bloom after the fight is literaly in the arena, you can stick the gold needle into it. And she literaly blooms in the fight, I mean, you literaly see it. Where is the bloom after radahn is a good question though, I have no idea.

Well there aint no flower left after her fight with radahn because her blooming doesnt leave a flower. She only leaves them after she dies for real which is what happens when you beat the boss fight. That is why when she blooms after phase 1 it doesnt leave a flower. They are different things...

Maybe it’s the one outside the arena? Might not form immediately, might be a result of here “coming down” from the rot angel form she takes during the battle.

Same with one in the arena itself appearing later even after she died.

[Dollmaker]

Pretty confident shes not even aware of Miquella's fate.

Lore implies shes been asleep since the battle of Caelid, or at least a huge portion of it, and knowing Mohg, he likely kidnapped him when she wasnt around.

Cause knowing Malenia's character and how much she cares for Miquella, Mohg would be as good as dead if she ever found out.

[Enderspoons]

Malenia's bloom in Caelid definitely left a physical mark. It grew up into a giant tree.
You can see it from literally a mile away, all the way from Rotview Balcony.

[zemzero]

Originally posted by antonisvaik:

Well here we go:

The bloom outside of her arena isnt Malenia's. Its from oner her daughters which is why the traveler's set is next to it.

1- There is no flower from the first bloom. Her blooming doesnt leave flowers. The flowers are left after her or one of her daughters die for real, not when they bloom (although I think malenia is the only one that can bloom). Thats why there isnt a flower in the swamp of aeonia and thats why there is one left in the boss room after you kill her and not after phase 1 which is when she blooms. There's also the fact that gowry asks you to kill millicent so she can flower into a valkyrie in the future, explaining what them "flowering" means.

This is wrong. When you fight Commander O'neil in Caelid, you are fighting inside her bloomed flower.

[Valkyrie]

Originally posted by zemzero:

Originally posted by antonisvaik:

Well here we go:

The bloom outside of her arena isnt Malenia's. Its from oner her daughters which is why the traveler's set is next to it.

1- There is no flower from the first bloom. Her blooming doesnt leave flowers. The flowers are left after her or one of her daughters die for real, not when they bloom (although I think malenia is the only one that can bloom). Thats why there isnt a flower in the swamp of aeonia and thats why there is one left in the boss room after you kill her and not after phase 1 which is when she blooms. There's also the fact that gowry asks you to kill millicent so she can flower into a valkyrie in the future, explaining what them "flowering" means.

This is wrong. When you fight Commander O'neil in Caelid, you are fighting inside her bloomed flower.

I really think that the flowers are from her blooms, which explains why she gets so strong after the third bloom when she fights you. In her item description it is stated, that it would happen after the third bloom.

[Sabaithal]

Mohg kidnapped Miquella completely covertly. No one even saw it happen. Malenia assumes her brother simply left one day of his own accord and would eventually return.

Which as pretty much everyone else points out, is wishful thinking.

[Vain]

I always thought the kidnapping of Miquella was the reason behind Maleina's crusade. Heart of Aeonia is pretty much above Mohg's palace. She was right with going south just a little bit too high. So, pretty much me, when I try to navigate through Liurnia

[Sabaithal]

Originally posted by Vain:

I always thought the kidnapping of Miquella was the reason behind Maleina's crusade. Heart of Aeonia is pretty much above Mohg's palace. She was right with going south just a little bit too high. So, pretty much me, when I try to navigate through Liurnia

I could be wrong about this, but I was under the impression that Miquella was kidnapped while Malenia was away.

Mohg might have bleed, but I don't think even he would risk trying to take her in a one on one fight.

[Mischief]

what makes you think she allowed it? the act couldve been clandestine