Reminder that killing Malenia is always the right choice

[Arvay6]

I did it to avenge Radhan, what a chad.

[ILikeBigBoats]

Arvay6 の投稿を引用：

rad ham

Ham is indeed pretty rad. Especially honey glazed

[GoreTiger]

Deadeye64 の投稿を引用：

GoreTiger の投稿を引用：

You gotta love it when people put spoilers as their thread title.

What spoilers? Her and Radahn are in the intro cutscene, and their fight was *the* most promoted advertisement for the game, what got spoiled?

The fact that I guess you choose whether or not to kill her or that she can even die.

[ressenmacher]

Dollmaker の投稿を引用：

We dont even know what Radahn intention were btw.

For all we know, he could have planned to conquer the Lands Between under his rule.

I think that's literally his canonical goal. The Shardbearers grabbed Great Runes, wanted more, and warred between one another for them and the right to become the next Elden Lord.* In that conflict, Radahn personally lead an assault on Lyndell and went after Godfrey as well; dude tried to kill his siblings and half-siblings for power.

*some exceptions; Rykard was trying to help Ranni and then snek happened, Ranni was trying to kick the Greater Will out, etc.

[Fang]

Cass Griffon の投稿を引用：

Fang の投稿を引用：

HIS NAME. IS RADAHN. GET IT RIGHT GUYS OH MY GOD

Actually his NAME IS GYOUBU MASATAKA ONIWA!

[Eunostos]

Dr.Abscondus の投稿を引用：

If you're taking sides in this game then you really haven't been paying attention.

Sure we have. It's made very clear that Radahn was a good person and Malenia is vile.

[ɸ It That Dwells ɸ]

Yeah but if you actually kill Malenia then you can't keep fighting her.

[Kyutaru]

Luagha の投稿を引用：

Dr.Abscondus の投稿を引用：

If you're taking sides in this game then you really haven't been paying attention.

Sure we have. It's made very clear that Radahn was a good person and Malenia is vile.

Radahn engaged in war with everyone until it was just him and Malenia left. He's responsible for countless deaths and would have become Elden Lord if she hadn't stopped him by any means necessary.

[ressenmacher]

Luagha の投稿を引用：

Sure we have. It's made very clear that Radahn was a good person and Malenia is vile.

what's made very clear is that Radahn was a good person to his troops. He was like a father to his men, cared deeply about them and his horse, etc. That's not a bad thing.

But he was a power-hungry would-be-monarch. He laid siege to Llyndell to claim the throne (and potentially Morgott's rune, if he knew of it) by force, and at some point tried to hunt down Godrick for his Great Rune.


Malenia's more or less the same. She was an instrument in her brother Miquella's plans, commanded near absolute loyalty from her knights, and was fighting for the oppressed and downtrodden they sheltered (albinaurics, misbegotten, etc). But at the same time she was fighting a war for power, tried to kill one or more of her siblings, and unintentionally or not caused massive ecological devastation to a large portion of the world.


Neither of them is purely good or purely vile.

[Cass Griffon]

ressenmacher の投稿を引用：

Luagha の投稿を引用：

Sure we have. It's made very clear that Radahn was a good person and Malenia is vile.

Neither of them is purely good or purely vile.

Here is someone who actually gets it.

[Dollmaker]

ressenmacher の投稿を引用：

Dollmaker の投稿を引用：

We dont even know what Radahn intention were btw.

For all we know, he could have planned to conquer the Lands Between under his rule.

I think that's literally his canonical goal. The Shardbearers grabbed Great Runes, wanted more, and warred between one another for them and the right to become the next Elden Lord.* In that conflict, Radahn personally lead an assault on Lyndell and went after Godfrey as well; dude tried to kill his siblings and half-siblings for power.

*some exceptions; Rykard was trying to help Ranni and then snek happened, Ranni was trying to kick the Greater Will out, etc.

We dont really know much about the relationship between Rykard and Ranni tbf, all we know is that Ranni gave the Blasphemous Claw to Rykard to defend himself from Maliketh, which was likely done largely cause both of them opposed the Greater Will.

[Dollmaker]

ressenmacher の投稿を引用：

Luagha の投稿を引用：

Sure we have. It's made very clear that Radahn was a good person and Malenia is vile.

what's made very clear is that Radahn was a good person to his troops. He was like a father to his men, cared deeply about them and his horse, etc. That's not a bad thing.

But he was a power-hungry would-be-monarch. He laid siege to Llyndell to claim the throne (and potentially Morgott's rune, if he knew of it) by force, and at some point tried to hunt down Godrick for his Great Rune.


Malenia's more or less the same. She was an instrument in her brother Miquella's plans, commanded near absolute loyalty from her knights, and was fighting for the oppressed and downtrodden they sheltered (albinaurics, misbegotten, etc). But at the same time she was fighting a war for power, tried to kill one or more of her siblings, and unintentionally or not caused massive ecological devastation to a large portion of the world.


Neither of them is purely good or purely vile.

We actually dont really know much of Malenia's motivations in the Shattering.

Its obvious it was for Miquella, which leads me to believe she intentionally went after Radahn who planned to take the Great Runes for himself, which would have included Miquella, so she decided to strike first.

[Sabaithal]

Dollmaker の投稿を引用：

ressenmacher の投稿を引用：

what's made very clear is that Radahn was a good person to his troops. He was like a father to his men, cared deeply about them and his horse, etc. That's not a bad thing.

But he was a power-hungry would-be-monarch. He laid siege to Llyndell to claim the throne (and potentially Morgott's rune, if he knew of it) by force, and at some point tried to hunt down Godrick for his Great Rune.


Malenia's more or less the same. She was an instrument in her brother Miquella's plans, commanded near absolute loyalty from her knights, and was fighting for the oppressed and downtrodden they sheltered (albinaurics, misbegotten, etc). But at the same time she was fighting a war for power, tried to kill one or more of her siblings, and unintentionally or not caused massive ecological devastation to a large portion of the world.


Neither of them is purely good or purely vile.

We actually dont really know much of Malenia's motivations in the Shattering.

Its obvious it was for Miquella, which leads me to believe she intentionally went after Radahn who planned to take the Great Runes for himself, which would have included Miquella, so she decided to strike first.

She also kicked the crap out of Godrick, but spared him as an insult. In other words, she let her ego get ahead of what should have been her main goal: Acquire more runes by defeating the shardbearers.

Wouldn't be the first, or last, time she let her ego get to her head I suppose.

[Dollmaker]

Sabaithal の投稿を引用：

Dollmaker の投稿を引用：

We actually dont really know much of Malenia's motivations in the Shattering.

Its obvious it was for Miquella, which leads me to believe she intentionally went after Radahn who planned to take the Great Runes for himself, which would have included Miquella, so she decided to strike first.

She also kicked the crap out of Godrick, but spared him as an insult. In other words, she let her ego get ahead of what should have been her main goal: Acquire more runes by defeating the shardbearers.

Wouldn't be the first, or last, time she let her ego get to her head I suppose.

But did she even wanted the Runes? if she completely bodied Godrick, she could have just took it from him.

That event alone is why i think she wasnt interested in taking the Great Runes.

[Sabaithal]

Dollmaker の投稿を引用：

But did she even wanted the Runes? if she completely bodied Godrick, she could have just took it from him.

That event alone is why i think she wasnt interested in taking the Great Runes.

Why else would she go after Godrick and Radahn then? There was no reason ever specified for her invasion of both areas, but I can't imagine it being for any other reason.

And we KNOW she's an egotist. Its subtle, but its hardly a shock, especially given her words upon first seeing the player (which if you know the lore you also know is blatantly false).

[Dollmaker]

Sabaithal の投稿を引用：

Dollmaker の投稿を引用：

But did she even wanted the Runes? if she completely bodied Godrick, she could have just took it from him.

That event alone is why i think she wasnt interested in taking the Great Runes.

Why else would she go after Godrick and Radahn then? There was no reason ever specified for her invasion of both areas, but I can't imagine it being for any other reason.

And we KNOW she's an egotist. Its subtle, but its hardly a shock, especially given her words upon first seeing the player (which if you know the lore you also know is blatantly false).

Its stated that Godrick insulted Malenia and most likely challenged her, so theres the motivation for that, wouldnt put it past him that obtaining his Rune boosted his ego, specially considering how much of a coward he was.

And like i said earlier, Radahn most likely planned to obtain the runes to take over the Lands Between for himself, which would have ultimately lead him to Miquella, which caused Malenia to antagonize him.

Also not really, the duel ended on a stalemate so Malenia and Radahn didnt lost in that regard, so her title as undefeated still holds true, could point out, that while prideful, she isnt a egomaniac, her dialogue when dying pretty much proves that.