The Rune of Death

[3D Master]

So, just killed Maliketh, and apparently you don't get his Rune of Death; then why is everyone talking up until that point of getting that Rune, including Maliketh himself. "Why covet Destined Death?"

Every other rune stays intact and you can get it; but the Rune of Death inexplicably says: "No, screw you, I'm peacing out!" and evaporates into nothing. Why? The gloam-eyed Queen wielded it before Maliketh; the black knife assassins could wield pieces of it; and then with me it just magically evaporates into nothing?

Here I am looking forward to equipping the Rune of Death and with that restoring all the black flame incantations and weapons back to their full might as their lore suggests should happen, but nope; out of nowhere the Rune of Death decides to just operate completely differently than all the other runes, and the way it has been operating until now, and just vanish.

Why!?

[CourtesyFlush09]

Originally posted by Deadly Queen:

Originally posted by 3D Master:

It is a necessary consequence of Marika removing the Rune of Death from the Elden Ring, and the DEQ wielding the Rune of Death and channeling it to her apostles through her God-slaying Greatsword in service of Queen Marika and the Golden Order until "they overstepped their bounds."

If they / the DEQ had stolen the Rune of Death they would have been against Marika from the start, and Maliketh would have been send after them right away, and they never would have gotten to kill any (demi-)gods and wear their skins.

Which gets us right back to the issue of my original post; the DEQ wielding the Rune of Death shows that up until you killing Maliketh the Rune of Death behaves just like all the other Great Runes; like an object, whether physical or metaphysical, that can be wielded, but then just as you are about to do that, the Rune of Death inexplicably defies the rules set up about it and the other Great Runes, and burns up into thin air.

The rune of death is not a "great rune" tho. The great runes were created when the shattering happened, destined death was taken out of the elden ring before the shattering.

Yeahhhhhhhhhh I'm finding a lot wrong with his theories :/

[Revalopod]

Originally posted by 3D Master:

Originally posted by Skeleton:

How does Rogier respawn after you see him get Deathblighted and die in the Stormveil catacomb?

Ah, but when you die by Deathblight and get resurrected you no longer have Deathblight. Rogier still does have Deathblight; this indicates to me he didn't actually die and get resurrected by Grace; when you entered the arena to take down the Tree Spirit you effectively saved him from dying on the spot, allowing the Deathblight to only take part of him, and he got himself to the Roundtable Hold, still affected by Deathblight.

Interresting here we have one of Elden Rings weaknesses; committing the Cardinal Sin of RPGs and doing it multiple times in the same game to boot. That Cardinal Sin being "the easily curable incurable disease" also known as "the easily healable unhealable injury." There are multiple ways to easily cure Death Blight (buildup) before it kills you (the same for Rot); yet you cannot use these to cure this NPC (and several others with Rot) for no reason whatsoever.

True. Just eat my boluses Millicent :(

[3D Master]

Originally posted by Deadly Queen:

Originally posted by 3D Master:

It is a necessary consequence of Marika removing the Rune of Death from the Elden Ring, and the DEQ wielding the Rune of Death and channeling it to her apostles through her God-slaying Greatsword in service of Queen Marika and the Golden Order until "they overstepped their bounds."

If they / the DEQ had stolen the Rune of Death they would have been against Marika from the start, and Maliketh would have been send after them right away, and they never would have gotten to kill any (demi-)gods and wear their skins.

Which gets us right back to the issue of my original post; the DEQ wielding the Rune of Death shows that up until you killing Maliketh the Rune of Death behaves just like all the other Great Runes; like an object, whether physical or metaphysical, that can be wielded, but then just as you are about to do that, the Rune of Death inexplicably defies the rules set up about it and the other Great Runes, and burns up into thin air.

The rune of death is not a "great rune" tho. The great runes were created when the shattering happened, destined death was taken out of the elden ring before the shattering.

The Great Runes like the Rune of Death were all part of the Elden Ring. Marika specifically removed the Rune of Death from the Elden Ring earlier. Then later the other runes were seperated from the Elden Ring by completely breaking it.

It's quite clear the only difference between them is the time when they were seperated from the Elden Ring.

[Alexis Machine]

Originally posted by frowningmirror:

If you were paying attention, Maliketh doesn't have the rune of death aka destined death anymore. He has some traces of death left in his sword, that's all. Ranni stole the rune of death from him long time ago with Rykards help, she made the black knives that the black knife assassins use, and then she split the rune of death into two halves when both Godwyn and Ranni died at the same time. These became the mark of the centipede.

If you give the other centipede rune you got from Ranni's body to Fia while shes near Godwyn, she can birth a new rune, where those who live in death are accepted (because she has the two halves).

Actually this is wrong, too, read the lore pieces, it's all clear once you get them all: Ranni only had the Black knives steal a minimal part (a mere shard) of the Rune of Death: the vast majority remained in Maliketh's possession, but to prevent another theft, he chose to seal it within his body (at this point he still possessed it, but could no longer wield it as a weapon). This weakended Maliketh and awakened in him an appetite that could only be sated by consuming deathroots. When the Tarnished challenges him, he breaks the seal and wield the Rune again, but he is still weakened by the ordeal. The Tarnished doesn't get to keep the rune because in order to destroy the wall of Thorns it is required that the rune is "set free". Burning the erdtree and setting the Rune free basically restores destined death to the Land Between and allows the barrier to be breached; merely burning the erdtree wasn't enough to reach the Elden Ring (all of this is explicitly told in various lore pieces at certain points in the storyline; nothing at all is desumed or supposed). So the Rune is now free and present (active) in the Land Between in the form of Destined Death. Ranni and Rykard supposedly retain theri shards, assuming they did not consume tor otherwise exhaust them in their schemes.
To make it quick: the Rune is not in the invenotry because the Tarnised released it in the world, making people (and everything else) in the Land Between mortal once more.

[3D Master]

Originally posted by Alexis Machine:

Actually this is wrong, too, read the lore pieces, it's all clear once you get them all: Ranni only had the Black knives steal a minimal part (a mere shard) of the Rune of Death: the vast majority remained in Maliketh's possession, but to prevent another theft, he chose to seal it within his body (at this point he still possessed it, but could no longer wield it as a weapon). This weakended Maliketh and awakened in him an appetite that could only be sated by consuming deathroots. When the Tarnished challenges him, he breaks the seal and wield the Rune again, but he is still weakened by the ordeal. The Tarnished doesn't get to keep the rune because in order to destroy the wall of Thorns it is required that the rune is "set free". Burning the erdtree and setting the Rune free basically restores destined death to the Land Between and allows the barrier to be breached; merely burning the erdtree wasn't enough to reach the Elden Ring (all of this is explicitly told in various lore pieces at certain points in the storyline; nothing at all is desumed or supposed). So the Rune is now free and present (active) in the Land Between in the form of Destined Death. Ranni and Rykard supposedly retain theri shards, assuming they did not consume tor otherwise exhaust them in their schemes.
To make it quick: the Rune is not in the invenotry because the Tarnised released it in the world, making people (and everything else) in the Land Between mortal once more.

That's not entirely true; there's nothing anywhere telling you that the Rune of Death needs to "be set free", aka "evaporate into nothing". Everything tells you to go get the Rune of Death; even Maliketh himself recognize that you seek to "take Destined Death" not set it free, his death question, "Why coved Destined Death, to kill what?" shows again this same thing; and even the cutscene in which the Rune of Death evaporates has you first moving over there to go grab the Rune of Death.

There is no reason to believe that you can't unleash the power of the Rune of Death upon the Erdtree, without it evaporating into thin air; indeed, there isn't even a reason why the Rune of Death can't unleash its power across the whole world without evaporating the Rune.