The Rune of Death

[3D Master]

So, just killed Maliketh, and apparently you don't get his Rune of Death; then why is everyone talking up until that point of getting that Rune, including Maliketh himself. "Why covet Destined Death?"

Every other rune stays intact and you can get it; but the Rune of Death inexplicably says: "No, screw you, I'm peacing out!" and evaporates into nothing. Why? The gloam-eyed Queen wielded it before Maliketh; the black knife assassins could wield pieces of it; and then with me it just magically evaporates into nothing?

Here I am looking forward to equipping the Rune of Death and with that restoring all the black flame incantations and weapons back to their full might as their lore suggests should happen, but nope; out of nowhere the Rune of Death decides to just operate completely differently than all the other runes, and the way it has been operating until now, and just vanish.

Why!?

[Wingnut Mcmoomoo]

I uh, don't think its like a thing that any one thing has had before maliketh, he trapped it to stop it. So having it as "your own" would make it so it still wouldn't be working right. You need destined death to be functioning in order for the game to finish, so it doesn't "peace out" it goes back to doing its job i think... i mean i could be way wrong but thats how i took it... if the rune could be contained and function than maliketh trapping it wouldnt' have worked

edit: i think that the gloam eyed queen and the godskins used it in the same way mogh uses the shapeless mother... through interaction with them and not by possessing them. So by it "going away" it is technically restoring those things to their full power

[frowningmirror]

If you were paying attention, Maliketh doesn't have the rune of death aka destined death anymore. He has some traces of death left in his sword, that's all. Ranni stole the rune of death from him long time ago with Rykards help, she made the black knives that the black knife assassins use, and then she split the rune of death into two halves when both Godwyn and Ranni died at the same time. These became the mark of the centipede.

If you give the other centipede rune you got from Ranni's body to Fia while shes near Godwyn, she can birth a new rune, where those who live in death are accepted (because she has the two halves).

[frowningmirror]

Furthermore, we're missing 3 runes from the demi-gods we know about. We don't have Ranni's original rune which she threw away, Miquella's rune or Godwyns rune (well, its possible this is Godricks rune or something, and its not very clear if they got their runes before or after the shattering)

[Revalopod]

I assumed we got it and it allowed us to kill the gods Radagon & Elden Beast

[3D Master]

Originally posted by Wingnut Mcmoomoo:

I uh, don't think its like a thing that any one thing has had before maliketh, he trapped it to stop it. So having it as "your own" would make it so it still wouldn't be working right. You need destined death to be functioning in order for the game to finish, so it doesn't "peace out" it goes back to doing its job i think... i mean i could be way wrong but thats how i took it... if the rune could be contained and function than maliketh trapping it wouldnt' have worked

edit: i think that the gloam eyed queen and the godskins used it in the same way mogh uses the shapeless mother... through interaction with them and not by possessing them. So by it "going away" it is technically restoring those things to their full power

Uh, no; the Rune of Death was part of the Elden Ring until Marika took it out of it, and then granted it to the Gloam-Eyed Queen (Melina) to wield, unti lshe and her apostles overstepped their bounds. Then she sent Maliketh to put them down and for him to use the Rune of Death on her behalf instead. And... well, down below

Originally posted by frowningmirror:

If you were paying attention, Maliketh doesn't have the rune of death aka destined death anymore. He has some traces of death left in his sword, that's all. Ranni stole the rune of death from him long time ago with Rykards help, she made the black knives that the black knife assassins use, and then she split the rune of death into two halves when both Godwyn and Ranni died at the same time. These became the mark of the centipede.

If you give the other centipede rune you got from Ranni's body to Fia while shes near Godwyn, she can birth a new rune, where those who live in death are accepted (because she has the two halves).

No, if you paid attention, the black knives only ever manage to steal shards of the (Great) Rune of Death. In order to make sure this never happened again, Maliketh bound (the vast majority of) the Rune of Death into him. If you look at the cinematic playing after you kill him; that sword-hit looking thing that emerges from the ground and gets consumed in black and red flame; that is the Rune of Death.

Which looks complately different from the marks of the centipede who form an entirely different rune as a result of the ritual they performed. They look fundamentally differently from the Rune of Death; and also do the opposite. As I was searching for why I didn't have the Rune of Death in my inventory I stumbled upon what that double centipede rune does; it makes eveeryone upon death become someone that lives in death.

Furthermore, we're missing 3 runes from the demi-gods we know about. We don't have Ranni's original rune which she threw away, Miquella's rune or Godwyns rune (well, its possible this is Godricks rune or something, and its not very clear if they got their runes before or after the shattering)

No, Godwyn never had a rune; Marika only broke the Elden Ring after Godwyn is slain, therefore he never had a shard of the Elden Ring, while he lived it was still intact.

[3D Master]

Originally posted by Revalopod:

I assumed we got it and it allowed us to kill the gods Radagon & Elden Beast

We don't have it in our inventory, and the black flame incanations don't get an upgrade, so no, we don't have it.

[Revalopod]

Originally posted by 3D Master:

Originally posted by Revalopod:

I assumed we got it and it allowed us to kill the gods Radagon & Elden Beast

We don't have it in our inventory, and the black flame incanations don't get an upgrade, so no, we don't have it.

Ok maybe we don't get it in the traditional sense but we free it thus allowing things to die so we can kill the gods?

[DragonSoundxSG]

Bc Maliketh just wants to chill and be left alone, but his "friends" are like, "yo bro, can I borrow a piece of that rune? I just wanna, uh...kill some demigods...uh, I mean, check it out."

[Izlude]

Originally posted by 3D Master:

Originally posted by Wingnut Mcmoomoo:

I uh, don't think its like a thing that any one thing has had before maliketh, he trapped it to stop it. So having it as "your own" would make it so it still wouldn't be working right. You need destined death to be functioning in order for the game to finish, so it doesn't "peace out" it goes back to doing its job i think... i mean i could be way wrong but thats how i took it... if the rune could be contained and function than maliketh trapping it wouldnt' have worked

edit: i think that the gloam eyed queen and the godskins used it in the same way mogh uses the shapeless mother... through interaction with them and not by possessing them. So by it "going away" it is technically restoring those things to their full power

Uh, no; the Rune of Death was part of the Elden Ring until Marika took it out of it, and then granted it to the Gloam-Eyed Queen (Melina) to wield, unti lshe and her apostles overstepped their bounds. Then she sent Maliketh to put them down and for him to use the Rune of Death on her behalf instead. And... well, down below

Originally posted by frowningmirror:

If you were paying attention, Maliketh doesn't have the rune of death aka destined death anymore. He has some traces of death left in his sword, that's all. Ranni stole the rune of death from him long time ago with Rykards help, she made the black knives that the black knife assassins use, and then she split the rune of death into two halves when both Godwyn and Ranni died at the same time. These became the mark of the centipede.

If you give the other centipede rune you got from Ranni's body to Fia while shes near Godwyn, she can birth a new rune, where those who live in death are accepted (because she has the two halves).

No, if you paid attention, the black knives only ever manage to steal shards of the (Great) Rune of Death. In order to make sure this never happened again, Maliketh bound (the vast majority of) the Rune of Death into him. If you look at the cinematic playing after you kill him; that sword-hit looking thing that emerges from the ground and gets consumed in black and red flame; that is the Rune of Death.

Which looks complately different from the marks of the centipede who form an entirely different rune as a result of the ritual they performed. They look fundamentally differently from the Rune of Death; and also do the opposite. As I was searching for why I didn't have the Rune of Death in my inventory I stumbled upon what that double centipede rune does; it makes eveeryone upon death become someone that lives in death.

Furthermore, we're missing 3 runes from the demi-gods we know about. We don't have Ranni's original rune which she threw away, Miquella's rune or Godwyns rune (well, its possible this is Godricks rune or something, and its not very clear if they got their runes before or after the shattering)

No, Godwyn never had a rune; Marika only broke the Elden Ring after Godwyn is slain, therefore he never had a shard of the Elden Ring, while he lived it was still intact.

Lol that is not what happened. Melina isnt the gloam eyed queen nor was she ever granted the rune of death, literally none of that is in the game dude. Fanfiction isnt the same as lore.

[Izlude]

Originally posted by Revalopod:

Originally posted by 3D Master:

We don't have it in our inventory, and the black flame incanations don't get an upgrade, so no, we don't have it.

Ok maybe we don't get it in the traditional sense but we free it thus allowing things to die so we can kill the gods?

Rune of death has red/black flames. Godskin incantations are white/black.

[rb303]

as I understand it, unleashing the rune of death is done so that the burning erdtree is finally able to actually die instead of just being immortal and on fire, thus destroying the thorns which prevent you from entering it

[Dollmaker]

Originally posted by Philogosten:

Originally posted by Revalopod:

Ok maybe we don't get it in the traditional sense but we free it thus allowing things to die so we can kill the gods?

Rune of death has red/black flames. Godskin incantations are white/black.

Tbf, the game isnt consistent with this with some AoW to my knowledge.

Even with Iji who got killed by Black Knives but has Black Flames instead of Destined Death ones.

[Kim]

Originally posted by rb303:

as I understand it, unleashing the rune of death is done so that the burning erdtree is finally able to actually die instead of just being immortal and on fire, thus destroying the thorns which prevent you from entering it

That's pretty much it.

One can assume that the "sacrifice" necessary to burn the erdtree is not dead since it occurs before the rune of death is unleashed

[Knavenformed]

The developers forgor that the players are most likely Edge, Lords who want to have all the MegaSlayer DeathKillWhatsumacallits so they ended up with going with the more poetic and nuanced fear that comes with introducing the concept of death to immortal beings.

But what gets mixed is Destined Death and the sealed "rule of death"
Destined Death is most likely an Outer God with the Gloam-Eyed Queen being in the role of Marika and the Black Flames being its spreading influence.
What we do with Maliketh is unsealing the rule of death back into the Greater Will so we can naturally kill the Erd-tree out of the way, but even then we cannot kill the Greater Will, just give the reign to another god or re-write the rules of the Order.

Maliketh doesn't hold the rune of Death as you get it through other means, but the rule of dying is still sealed and protected by Maliketh.
And Destined Death is not part of the Elden Ring, if it was Melina couldn't promise to bring it to the Lord of the Frenzied Flame after the removal of the influence of the Greater Will.

Maliketh was just overall in charge of dealing with death in all forms (Destined, Indiscriminate and life in death) so it all gets mixed together.

[CourtesyFlush09]

Originally posted by Philogosten:

Originally posted by 3D Master:

Uh, no; the Rune of Death was part of the Elden Ring until Marika took it out of it, and then granted it to the Gloam-Eyed Queen (Melina) to wield, unti lshe and her apostles overstepped their bounds. Then she sent Maliketh to put them down and for him to use the Rune of Death on her behalf instead. And... well, down below



No, if you paid attention, the black knives only ever manage to steal shards of the (Great) Rune of Death. In order to make sure this never happened again, Maliketh bound (the vast majority of) the Rune of Death into him. If you look at the cinematic playing after you kill him; that sword-hit looking thing that emerges from the ground and gets consumed in black and red flame; that is the Rune of Death.

Which looks complately different from the marks of the centipede who form an entirely different rune as a result of the ritual they performed. They look fundamentally differently from the Rune of Death; and also do the opposite. As I was searching for why I didn't have the Rune of Death in my inventory I stumbled upon what that double centipede rune does; it makes eveeryone upon death become someone that lives in death.



No, Godwyn never had a rune; Marika only broke the Elden Ring after Godwyn is slain, therefore he never had a shard of the Elden Ring, while he lived it was still intact.

Lol that is not what happened. Melina isnt the gloam eyed queen nor was she ever granted the rune of death, literally none of that is in the game dude. Fanfiction isnt the same as lore.

Yeah, Melina being the Gloam-Eyed Queen was never confirmed. It's a fun theory, though.