I can't figure out Crucible Knights.

[MrDugan]

All the enemies I see complaints about like Runebears and Dinodogs and all that, I got it. They don't bother me, zero fear unless there's a bunch all at once.

A single crucible knight is a whole load of massive BS though, at least that's what it feels like right now. I was in the capital, with about 100 enemies waiting to respawn between me and the nearest grace site, like 10 minutes away unless I rushed past everything if I died and had to get back.

A single crucible knight, hanging out in a small space. Almost dead. I have 50ish vig, tree sentinel set, talismans for life, damage negation for physical and elemental, the works. I can take a hit. Medium load, so no fat roll. I have taken maybe one hit this whole fight and healed it back up. Full health. This dude pulls a nearly zero windup attack at point blank range in the middle of me hitting him (animation locked in the hit, so no rolling away from it, even though I was hitting the roll button.) that turns my entire health bar yellow instantly.

It doesn't feel like it's "fair as long as you're really good." It feels like complete and total BS. I don't understand what I'm supposed to do other than be frame-perfect for the whole fight, which I know is going to be everyone's answer.

The icing on the cake is that on the run back, I stupidly tried to rush it, got hit with that OP perfumer bolt barrage from a paige, made it through a door to heal and got hit THROUGH the wall with a second barrage before I could heal. 200k runes gone because enemies get to attack through walls or one-shot my entire health bar.

I don't know what the hell I'm supposed to do about any of this. Every Crucible Knight fight is like this for me. They are harder than any of the bosses I've fought, any other enemy. I know they're broken because I've let my mimic straight up solo other minor bosses, and yet I've seen a single crucible knight pound a +10 mimic into dust and still have 1/3 of its health bar left. What am I missing other than the same tired old "git gud"?

[Mirona]

okay ofc everything is subjective and we just disagree, no big deal. but you cant rule out that not everyone is a mage even if some may believe its easier or more reliable. parry buckler weighs nothing and only needs 13 dex. every build can use it

its whatever. i only challenge people to rethink how they go about learning the game. this isnt even a debate about parry. its about people using rolls r1 and maybe some spells. and whenever these players run into a problem it must be the games fault. elden ring has so many tools that 99% of the game can be a joke.

and if they try out your way of going about it and are successful then thats a win in my book as its the first step in understanding that there are many ways to go about it.

you didnt open this thread being frustrated with this enemy. you found a way for yourself to deal with them. no matter if we disagree how reliable that may be
and i am sry if i wrote myself a bit into a frenzy. its actually funny also when you see the progress of the souls community. there was the same issue some years ago with the black knights. the crucible knights are in the end nothing else but black nights on drugs. they serve the same purpose


btw as 1.04 nerfed any duo fights parry even became stronger in that fight. before it was much harder to time or position the duo so you could safely go in and parry. since 1.04 one knight stands around and does nothing for half the fight.

and this was not in the patch notes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kOIYgvJ2XY

last part of the video 10:54

they are still challenging for most players or ofc new players but they got nerfed hard

[MrDugan]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Mirona:

its the same problem as always. people refuse to learn and try to force what they think of how to play the game onto every enemy.

so lets see what i mean. there are a few main mechnaics in the game but most players refuse to learn or use them besides r1 spam and rolling.

just to name a few core mechanics we have:

rolling in 3 states - light - medium- fat - the only way of defense for most people sadly
block small medium and greatshields
guardcounter - new improved version of a blocking tool
parry - old but golden standart for players that want to improve
r1 spam - the usual culprit
charged attacks
jump attacks
crouch attacks
dodge attacks
offensive spells
support spells
ashes of war
status effects like poisons frenzy etc
consumables

i propably miss some but i think i get across my point

soooo
we have different enemies and each has some weakness. we cant use every mechanics depending on our build but most is available for everyone.
next thing is to find out what is the best way to kill enemies reliable. RELIABLE

you can kill most every enemy in the game with bs ways or overllvling but i want to talk about how to go about enemies and that reliable. mastering ways to do it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiLF8P5Yd_U

here is how you reliably do any crucible or tree knight. and what you see in this video is a totally underpowered character outperform one of the so called "strongest" or "overpowered" enemies in the game. with any normal character that has leveled and has any other weapon and upgrades can do this with maybe 4-7 parry and not 20+. you can also do mistakes as you dont get oneshot when lvling up. note also that there is a reason in this video i use a parry buckler and not any parry tool. and this may look hard at first but i can tell you i can do this in my sleep. not because its hard but because once learned its RELIABLE

if you want i can tell you a way of dealing with every enemy in the game RELIABLY and without any cheese or exploits or ♥♥♥♥♥ strats by using one of the tools provided by the game. and not just spamming rolls and r1. or maybe offensive spells. and i will rarely tell you to parry.

and yes 2 at the same time are harder but not a big deal when you already mastered them. only means better timing when to strike and when to back off

you can just now make a bandit and run there yourself in 5 minutes. and to learn them i would recommend you to unequip the dagger. just parry and fist riposte. its not about killing the knight. its about learning him. do this for 30-60 minutes and you will think of them as kokes from then on. and while learning it does not matter how often you die. and your goal is not to defeat the knight now as fast as possible. your goal is learning.changes everything

STOP REFUSING TO LEARN AND BLAMING THE GAME

Does opening your comment by being condescending usually get people to read the rest of it? Because I'm not reading that if you're on your high horse in sentence one.

[0-0-Bram]

The weakness of the crucible knights lies in their stoic overconfidence.
They stand still, or slowly patrol very methodic, obvious paths. You will always have the advantage of choosing your attack; they will never surprise you.
And... if you run from one, keep running. I think underneath the armor may be the metal endoskeleton of a T-800 Cyberdyne systems model 101 terminator...

[Friends with Benedicts]

While we are at it I hate the third part of mountain top and I want to kill myself (and mohg). Will take a break

[UnholyDentist]

You can sneak behind most of them and poison fog cheese them. You can even backstab spam them. You don't have to beat all enemies at their own game, especially if they are cringy af to fight.

[Morton Koopa Jr.]

Oprindeligt skrevet af UnholyDentist:

You can sneak behind most of them and poison fog cheese them. You can even backstab spam them. You don't have to beat all enemies at their own game, especially if they are cringy af to fight.

I wrote a message a while ago on how to cheese the first one at the bottom of leyndell.

I'm still getting upvotes. haha, I'm glad i'm helping ppl.

edit: stormveil lol not leyndell

[Friends with Benedicts]

My first crucible were not in leyndell but in nokron lol

[Morton Koopa Jr.]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Friends with Benedicts:

My first crucible were not in leyndell but in nokron lol

haha understandable. They leyndell one is very well hidden imo. I missed that the first time, and i literally did go check the key ledge.

for the rest of the game, I've been hugging edges and looking down obsessively. This game has a fetish for that XD

edit: stormveil, stormveil.

[MrDugan]

Oprindeligt skrevet af UnholyDentist:

You can sneak behind most of them and poison fog cheese them. You can even backstab spam them. You don't have to beat all enemies at their own game, especially if they are cringy af to fight.

I can't manage to get a backstab on them? More than one enemy type does this to me. Even with soft cotton, or the talisman that silences the sounds you make, I can get right up to them, line up perfectly behind them, hit the button to backstab and end up just doing a regular attack. There's the two crucible knights in Nokron, where you fight the one patrolling, then the one at the waterfall. I got the one patrolling, and then probably a dozen times got to the one at the waterfall, snuck up on them all proper, and no backstab. I just assumed they were immune to it, like how Zamor Knights auto-dodge and attack if you try to backstab.

[Morton Koopa Jr.]

Wait, you can't backstab them!!!! Right?

[paladin181]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Morton Koopa Jr.:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Friends with Benedicts:

My first crucible were not in leyndell but in nokron lol

haha understandable. They leyndell one is very well hidden imo. I missed that the first time, and i literally did go check the key ledge.

for the rest of the game, I've been hugging edges and looking down obsessively. This game has a fetish for that XD

What? Is there a second one I wasn't aware of in Leyndell? He's right next to a shortcut back to East Rampart, and pretty obvious if you're exploring fairly thoroughly. The one in Stormveil is hidden. But he was the first one I'd ever fought.

[paladin181]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Morton Koopa Jr.:

Wait, you can't backstab them!!!! Right?

They can only be back stabbed from a parry/stance break.

[UnholyDentist]

Yea sorry, I mean critical strike.

[Morton Koopa Jr.]

Oprindeligt skrevet af melfice181paladin181:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Morton Koopa Jr.:

haha understandable. They leyndell one is very well hidden imo. I missed that the first time, and i literally did go check the key ledge.

for the rest of the game, I've been hugging edges and looking down obsessively. This game has a fetish for that XD

What? Is there a second one I wasn't aware of in Leyndell? He's right next to a shortcut back to East Rampart, and pretty obvious if you're exploring fairly thoroughly. The one in Stormveil is hidden. But he was the first one I'd ever fought.

lol i def meant stormveil XD the one at the very bottom that faces the starting area of the game.

[Mirona]

Oprindeligt skrevet af MrDugan:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Mirona:

its the same problem as always. people refuse to learn and try to force what they think of how to play the game onto every enemy.

so lets see what i mean. there are a few main mechnaics in the game but most players refuse to learn or use them besides r1 spam and rolling.

just to name a few core mechanics we have:

rolling in 3 states - light - medium- fat - the only way of defense for most people sadly
block small medium and greatshields
guardcounter - new improved version of a blocking tool
parry - old but golden standart for players that want to improve
r1 spam - the usual culprit
charged attacks
jump attacks
crouch attacks
dodge attacks
offensive spells
support spells
ashes of war
status effects like poisons frenzy etc
consumables

i propably miss some but i think i get across my point

soooo
we have different enemies and each has some weakness. we cant use every mechanics depending on our build but most is available for everyone.
next thing is to find out what is the best way to kill enemies reliable. RELIABLE

you can kill most every enemy in the game with bs ways or overllvling but i want to talk about how to go about enemies and that reliable. mastering ways to do it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiLF8P5Yd_U

here is how you reliably do any crucible or tree knight. and what you see in this video is a totally underpowered character outperform one of the so called "strongest" or "overpowered" enemies in the game. with any normal character that has leveled and has any other weapon and upgrades can do this with maybe 4-7 parry and not 20+. you can also do mistakes as you dont get oneshot when lvling up. note also that there is a reason in this video i use a parry buckler and not any parry tool. and this may look hard at first but i can tell you i can do this in my sleep. not because its hard but because once learned its RELIABLE

if you want i can tell you a way of dealing with every enemy in the game RELIABLY and without any cheese or exploits or ♥♥♥♥♥ strats by using one of the tools provided by the game. and not just spamming rolls and r1. or maybe offensive spells. and i will rarely tell you to parry.

and yes 2 at the same time are harder but not a big deal when you already mastered them. only means better timing when to strike and when to back off

you can just now make a bandit and run there yourself in 5 minutes. and to learn them i would recommend you to unequip the dagger. just parry and fist riposte. its not about killing the knight. its about learning him. do this for 30-60 minutes and you will think of them as kokes from then on. and while learning it does not matter how often you die. and your goal is not to defeat the knight now as fast as possible. your goal is learning.changes everything

STOP REFUSING TO LEARN AND BLAMING THE GAME

Does opening your comment by being condescending usually get people to read the rest of it? Because I'm not reading that if you're on your high horse in sentence one.

maybe you wont get that if you dont try to blame the game. you criticise the game i do this to you. but its fine. search for some cheese. i dont feel like having an ego war with you now so whatever. feel free to say whatever you want. gonna ignore you and move on