Is there a counter to Fingerprint stone shield

[CapNKirkland]

Just went up against 4 of these guys in a row doing the shield+poke nonsense and I cant believe I'm gonna say it, but that's a hell of a lot more annoying than a corpse piler and BHS spammer.

I'm running dual colossal greatswords and I only managed to break one guys poise after what felt like a dozen hits.

There has to be a way to apply reasonable damage through that shield.

An item or spell maybe? Something?

Edit: Guess I should have mentioned. I'm primarily a strength build. I have bleed on my greatswords but only enough faith and arcane for scarlet breath and fly swarm

[GONDAL]

stuff like coded sword, cipher pata, and carian slicer goes through the shield albeit with 70% less dmg. DoT and bleed also go through the shield.

[Dollmaker]

Messaggio originale di AzureDreams:

stuff like coded sword, cipher pata, and carian slicer goes through the shield albeit with 70% less dmg. DoT and bleed also go through the shield.

Problem is that the Shield user will straight up out damage you if trying to just trade with such low dmg.

Sad thing is, currently Greatshield Pokes are awful to go agaisnt since theres barely any solid counter for it, only ones that comes to mind are Royal Knight Resolve and Ice Spear, using the Militia Shotel, other than that, good luck.

[GONDAL]

Messaggio originale di Dollmaker:

Messaggio originale di AzureDreams:

stuff like coded sword, cipher pata, and carian slicer goes through the shield albeit with 70% less dmg. DoT and bleed also go through the shield.

Problem is that the Shield user will straight up out damage you if trying to just trade with such low dmg.

Sad thing is, currently Greatshield Pokes are awful to go agaisnt since theres barely any solid counter for it, only ones that comes to mind are Royal Knight Resolve and Ice Spear, using the Militia Shotel, other than that, good luck.

On that note, i'm wondering if the black knife weaponart works well against the shield as it's ranged and applies a fire debuff. Same with black flame spells.

[Dollmaker]

Messaggio originale di AzureDreams:

Messaggio originale di Dollmaker:

Problem is that the Shield user will straight up out damage you if trying to just trade with such low dmg.

Sad thing is, currently Greatshield Pokes are awful to go agaisnt since theres barely any solid counter for it, only ones that comes to mind are Royal Knight Resolve and Ice Spear, using the Militia Shotel, other than that, good luck.

On that note, i'm wondering if the black knife weaponart works well against the shield as it's ranged and applies a fire debuff. Same with black flame spells.

Yeah they would do some dmg, but all of the Black Flame incantations and Blade of Death are pretty slow and telegraphed.

Only one would maybe be Black Flame Blade but that spells sucks due to how short its duration is, on top of being expensive being 15 FP for a 6 sec buff.

[Rivaldman]

The next question: how about fingerprint greatshield with bloodhound step.

[Clail]

Does kick and standoff R1 ashes of war not break the guard?

I haven't PvP'ed much yet, but against turtles those are quick and easy ways of punishing.

[critter]

once again significant issues that FROM hasn't balanced.

dark souls 3 held a modest 19% of its original users.

elden ring has 11% and it is only a few months old.

feels like they dont care to be honest.

[Dollmaker]

Messaggio originale di Clail:

Does kick and standoff R1 ashes of war not break the guard?

I haven't PvP'ed much yet, but against turtles those are quick and easy ways of punishing.

Thing is, Kick is straight up useless, since it isnt an instant break, and you gotta be really close to use it.

With Square Off its pretty much a similar issue, not enough to break it.

[Holografix]

Black Flame Ritual

[Meep]

A projectile that attack backside of the target will completely counter the shield.

- Cuckoo Glintstone
- Rancor Pot

There's also few spells

- Ambush Shard
- Discus of Light
- Triple Rings of Light

There's weapon skill that completely ignore shield guard

- Impaling thrust
- Piercing Fang ( Partial )
- Unblockable Blade ( Coded Sword / Cipher Pata )

You can throw projectiles backside of the target including a crossbow with explosive bolts.

I also have a shield character and I'll tell you one of my secret which is people that I scared of.

People who never approach in my attack range of poking, which is farily short, and they throwing pots and projectiles ( glintstones ) and shooting a crossbows with status effect bolts like bleed or scarlet rot. Then when I starting to roll then catch my roll with roll catching weapons ( spear , thrusting sword )

And about BHS, it's a losing game for as a shield user. You lose FP and stamina and distance which is you need to keep close to attack in order to poke them, while your target will keep stamina and fp and safe distance from you.

[Xengre]

Shotels bypass 40% of the dmg reduction from shields. There are like 4 different shotels that do this to fit different builds.

As someone said you can use bleed, Swarm of Flies, DoT like dragon breath/Night's Maiden Mist, the back attack spells that hit from behind. You can use spells and Ash of War that affect the ground under them. Madness, frostbite, bleed, rot, black flame (on shotels in particular for extra dmg on top of the bypass).

Endure on a weapon that has comparable or faster attack speed then the weapon the opponent with Fingerprint shield is using will get destroyed by this. Simply reactive endure as they attack and smash them. You will win the trade hard due to the massive dmg negation before they can recover to block.

You could... parry them when they poke you.

Pulley crossbow with status effect or sleep and then slam them if they go to sleep or get frustrated and go for you. They wont be trading you if your doing this. There are ways to bait them into being hit by it. The only down part for the sleep option, which is the best, is the materials.

You could use Ironjar Aromatic and just out trade them being super aggressive. If you feel okay with using BHS then you can use it to counteract the mobility issue.

EDIT: and what Meep said above.

[Narm]

I run the black knife and black flame ritual. Both will drain health regardless of the shield. It's not a ton of damage, but you can chip with it and it will kill them eventually. A lot of them are stupid enough to keep walking into black flame ritual.

I also toss volcano pots at my feet when they're trying to get out of black flame ritual. This combo has actually guard broke people a few times.

Some of the good damage spells and parrying has already been mentioned, but nobody has mentioned the mist spells yet. I use fia's mist+old lord's talisman to force them to back off, and also as vision blocking to land the black knife weapon art. Nobody's gonna tank deathblight. Chilling mist will also force them away from you for a while and let you spam ranged attacks, especially with the old lord's talisman. Pairs nicely with a bow with barrage and status effect arrows, especially if you manually aim the barrage to catch strafing and rolls.

[Lu2]

powerstance greathhamers or something (jump r1 atack) . its shame kick doesnt serve as true gurad break move . ds2 guard break move was exelent tool . kick is ds3 is useless . in er its pretty much same

[stage]

https://youtu.be/9jZsadp-UTg

https://youtu.be/FWEhiErPbNI

[Dr.Abscondus]

Dragon Breath Incantations for Rot or Frostbite should work. I don't think the shield has any protection against Frenzy incantations either.