Ganking hosts are more toxic than any invader could be

[MULTIPASS]

I didn't have a dog in this race for a long time, but I recently starting doing invasions and... damn. I can't believe we listened to co-op players whine about invasions for months.

There was a prevailing theme in those threads that "using an invasion item makes you the bad guy", but taunter's tongue is much worse. Instead of going in solo and underleveled to take on 2-3 players at once, you sit in a cave with some level 200 havelmonster and spam rotten breath and weapon arts. Hosts setting up ganks with high level summons are much worse than anything an invader could ever do.

[Vix]

I have seen some invasion-focused streamers (ChaseTheBro, Jeenine) fall victim to specialized status setup ganks, such as madness, rotten breath, and, of course, sleep arrows.

I do not consider myself especially skilled in Elden Ring PvP, so as a member of the audience, I do often think to myself, "How can you beat that?"

Then my world opens up not only when the streamer comments on something they could have done better as opposed to the success of the setup—and to an even greater extent, I am awed when they do conquer these types of challenges, or even re-invade to avenge themselves, now more mentally prepared to adapt.

It does vary, but even the best sometimes fall prey to setups like these—if only once.

Good luck, invader! ^w^

[Señor Brown]

Block them and move on.

[MULTIPASS]

Originally posted by Señor Brown:

Block them and move on.

Yes this is the way.

[Narm]

I thought the same when I started invading, but honestly, the ganks are both the best way to learn to dodge everything, and the most satisfying invasions to win. You git gud quickly when 3 dudes are spamming every high level spell and busted weapon art possible.

[it's a gabe]

PVP sure is a difficult topic in the FromSoft games. I remember heated conversations around it back when the first Dark Souls was a thing, and it didn't stop there.

I do understand it a little bit better after they explained the concept behind invasions, what it was supposed to be back with Dark Souls 1-3. As far as my PVE a$$ goes, I can't say I'm unhappy with how they've dealt with it in Elden Ring, but that could be my memories of starting out in any of the 3 Dark Souls games and being mercilessly hunted down by a twinked invader. That hasn't happened yet in Elden Ring, thank goodness.

But then, if you think about it, your experience with PVP signs might be that crowd looking for a different way to do what they've always done, since that's a little more unpredictable now.

[LQIM]

Git gud lol

[Angel]

skill issue

[DayLight1943]

oh for sure. there really is no other kind of game where a player can stack as many advantages in their favor as a host in elden ring can - 3v1, max level phantoms, blues to replace phantoms that die, no friendly fire, team heals/buffs, free estus from killing weak pve or the little estus bugs, great runes, choosing your team mates, and playing on mics in an organized way...its really a totally insane list of advantages that are put in place to balance pvp when skilled invaders with powerful builds invade hapless pve'ers, and they work quite well for that, but that can be abused by players who dont want to play in good faith, and by players who are so simple minded and stupid that they actually get the dopamine hit associated with winning by ganking 3v1.

so yes, obviously, the most toxic players in the game host or play as OL phantoms. there are certainly invaders out there who want to grief noobs and be ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, but in practice, even when invading at low rune levels, youre not just invading tons of noobs, youre invading 3 man overleveled teams, experienced gankers, invaders doing taunter tongue runs, bonfire duelists etc etc etc. for players who just want to stack advantages, get wins as easily as possible, and make other players salty, the most effective role to play BY FAR is host.

[MULTIPASS]

Originally posted by DayLight1943:

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Yes, exactly this. Thanks for saying everything I was thinking, but more eloquently.

[Hektik]

Originally posted by MULTIPASS:

I didn't have a dog in this race for a long time, but I recently starting doing invasions and... damn. I can't believe we listened to co-op players whine about invasions for months.

There was a prevailing theme in those threads that "using an invasion item makes you the bad guy", but taunter's tongue is much worse. Instead of going in solo and underleveled to take on 2-3 players at once, you sit in a cave with some level 200 havelmonster and spam rotten breath and weapon arts. Hosts setting up ganks with high level summons are much worse than anything an invader could ever do.

Yeah started doing multiplayer recently and learned very quickly that invasions are not fun even in the slightest. Wish I had a good solution tho. I personally hated getting invaded as a solo player in DS1 but the over correction here is clearly setup to make the invader a punching bag.

[Lenox]

I'm actually surprised that the matchmaking isn't tighter than it is. Missed opportunity IMO.

[ɸ It That Dwells ɸ]

Have you tried gutting giid?

[Senki]

How about instead of crying about one side or the other we actually blame Fromsoft, the ones that made these things possible and failed to provide a good multiplayer experience in the first place.

[Lylliana of Mirrah]

Originally posted by DayLight1943:

oh for sure. there really is no other kind of game where a player can stack as many advantages in their favor as a host in elden ring can - 3v1, max level phantoms, blues to replace phantoms that die, no friendly fire, team heals/buffs, free estus from killing weak pve or the little estus bugs, great runes, choosing your team mates, and playing on mics in an organized way...its really a totally insane list of advantages that are put in place to balance pvp when skilled invaders with powerful builds invade hapless pve'ers, and they work quite well for that, but that can be abused by players who dont want to play in good faith, and by players who are so simple minded and stupid that they actually get the dopamine hit associated with winning by ganking 3v1.

so yes, obviously, the most toxic players in the game host or play as OL phantoms. there are certainly invaders out there who want to grief noobs and be ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, but in practice, even when invading at low rune levels, youre not just invading tons of noobs, youre invading 3 man overleveled teams, experienced gankers, invaders doing taunter tongue runs, bonfire duelists etc etc etc. for players who just want to stack advantages, get wins as easily as possible, and make other players salty, the most effective role to play BY FAR is host.

well said

[Komarimaru]

Blame your fellow invaders. They got tired of waiting to gank people, so instead made gank squads. Can literally watch those who stream, they are on both sides.