NG+ Is extremely bad and lazy.

[EmoRevenger]

NG+ was extremely lazely made.
There is no difference but a stat buff.

And the stat buff isn't even major, if you complete the game and go to NG+
You get easy breeze until Melania, black Blade and elden beast where you walk straight into a wall of death.

No added attacks from bosses.
No new content in any way.
No secrets
No better versions of items
No new enemy placements

They should have taken what they learned from DS2 making it memorable and something worth doing for any reason that isn't just for the "challange".
Even simply flipping the map would feel like a new experience like what LoZ did.
Or at the minimum added a achievemt for completing it for "street cred".

I kinda expected weapons to be somewhat upgraded to cut down on grinding the tombs and mines or let us keep the bells so we could explore our build more.

[Noeat]

Publicado originalmente por ChrisPharmD:

lol You expected new content in NG+ when most people wont even clear the game itself? That's ridiculous.

did you ever see Nioh, or Nioh2?
every NG+ cycle bring something new, new tier of gear, sets with new abilities, new enemies, new moveset even for bosses, new enemy positioning, new game mechanic, new game mode and so..

thats why is Nioh/Nioh2 fun thru all NG cycles.

[EmoRevenger]

Publicado originalmente por Noeat:

Publicado originalmente por ChrisPharmD:

lol You expected new content in NG+ when most people wont even clear the game itself? That's ridiculous.

did you ever see Nioh, or Nioh2?
every NG+ cycle bring something new, new tier of gear, sets with new abilities, new enemies, new moveset even for bosses, new enemy positioning, new game mechanic, new game mode and so..

thats why is Nioh/Nioh2 fun thru all NG cycles.

Ah man i hope Nioh 3 gets released Nioh 2 was such an amazing game.

[Obergruppenführer]

Publicado originalmente por EmoRevenger:

Publicado originalmente por Obergruppenführer:

I guess you didn't play DS2 NG+ ? Or else you would know the stupidity the NG+ was.

I did, but the flaw with that game was that it was just outright bad.

The NG+ was absolutely a step in the right direction when it came to endgame content and could absolutely have been buildt upon in future souls titles.

All they did was add red phantom enemies, it was cheap, FromSoft was never good at NG+, we do NG+ for the items we missed, that's it.

[LFA]

Publicado originalmente por Obergruppenführer:

Publicado originalmente por EmoRevenger:

I did, but the flaw with that game was that it was just outright bad.

The NG+ was absolutely a step in the right direction when it came to endgame content and could absolutely have been buildt upon in future souls titles.

All they did was add red phantom enemies, it was cheap, FromSoft was never good at NG+, we do NG+ for the items we missed, that's it.

Sure but really there is no reason why it couldn't get any better.
These games have good replay value potential.
It would be great if there was at least one secret, top stuff area you could visit only in NG+.
It's kind of annoying when games still don't get the improvement they deserve even after several sequels.

[LaundryMaster]

they really need to buff runes for later new game plus cycles. i dont feel like having to defeat 3 legendary bosses to have enough runes for single level up. dont feel like farming albinaurics either.

[XTS]

NG+ was done poorly, the correct way would have been the witcher 3 way, where despite starting again with all your equipment it feels just as hard and steadily remains as difficult as you progress... the problem with elden ring is NG+ is way easier than simply making a new character, beating the game without all the items is harder than beating NG+ with everything already collected.

Scale enemies better, more health, more damage etc, add more targets etc, upgrade monsters of the same type to higher tiers and the rest of it.

[Gabriel Angelos]

Publicado originalmente por Tiasmoon:

Publicado originalmente por Ace Rimmer:

I started a NG+ playthrough and still finding stuff and bosses I never saw before.

That's because you didnt find them the first time around, tho.

Thats right I didnt because I went in blind and didnt follow some wiki. Still took me around 100 hours for that first playthrough.

[Kitsune]

Yep, got every weapon, talisman, spell and ending in my first playthrough (apart from one weapon in Leyndell that I got locked out of after burning the Erdtree. Now I have absolutely no reason to replay the game. Even worse than Dark Souls 3 in that regard. There is not a single thing you can only get in NG+. Why even bother lol
Also why do we not get the option to replay bosses like in Sekiro? So many steps back in their newest IP lol

[Majere]

I've not bothered with NG+ yet, I just create new characters and start again to try different approaches. I've never seen the appeal of 'new game' modes that just make all the numbers bigger. I did do NG+ in DS2 because of the way it changed up the game, which made it interesting.

What I'd have liked for them to have done, given that ER's size is such that major changes in NG+ probably weren't feasible, was to have a modifier applied based on the ending path you choose. So perhaps applying a different shader model (like Demons Souls Remake) and buffs/ debuffs to certain effects based on which Age you picked.

[EmoRevenger]

Publicado originalmente por Kitsune:

Yep, got every weapon, talisman, spell and ending in my first playthrough (apart from one weapon in Leyndell that I got locked out of after burning the Erdtree. Now I have absolutely no reason to replay the game. Even worse than Dark Souls 3 in that regard. There is not a single thing you can only get in NG+. Why even bother lol
Also why do we not get the option to replay bosses like in Sekiro? So many steps back in their newest IP lol

Honestly that would also be neat, giving us an item that could be used on a pedastal infront of the boss room allowing you to challange it in any NG+ / ++ / +++ you want.
or just re-fight the vanilla one for fun.

[ArcanePeasant]

There was never a point for NG+, it's there just for fun in case someone is willing, like that dude that completed 99 NG cycles in DS2 or to push your broken build against ever increasing numbers.

DS2 apart from being obnoxiously bad every step of the way had the worst idea of NG+ containing upgraded items, which were required for achievement as well, so forcing you to play multiple playthroughs regardless of your preference if you wanted to collect everything, which is quite a popular obsession.

The thing is you cannot make NG+ interesting unless you keep the world, but rearrange things in accordance to the ending for example, but that is a lot of work and might not be feasable if they were already forced to recycle content so heavily. Even tho that would be absolutely amazing, at this point even randomizer would have done more for NG+ cycle, which we might see one day

However retaining difficulty in NG+ is not really possible. Flat increases does not matter, everything will get deleted anyways and you are already know all the stuff by playing through the game, giving more + materials does not do it either because you would just do same thing and max your weapon before fighting first boss anyway. Someone said that Witcher3 did it so NG+ felt difficult despite having access to all the gear from NG, idk what that person is smoking but that is utter lie, NG+ in witcher is a joke difficulty wise.


TLDR: NG+ was not lazy made, it's a bonus feature if you're feeling up for it

[EmoRevenger]

Publicado originalmente por Kitsune:

Yep, got every weapon, talisman, spell and ending in my first playthrough (apart from one weapon in Leyndell that I got locked out of after burning the Erdtree. Now I have absolutely no reason to replay the game. Even worse than Dark Souls 3 in that regard. There is not a single thing you can only get in NG+. Why even bother lol
Also why do we not get the option to replay bosses like in Sekiro? So many steps back in their newest IP lol

Yeah a boss run would have been fun.