Scarlet Aeonia...

[Dollmaker]

So been testing this incantation and... its utter garbage...

Like not even kidding, this thing is useless:

1.- High FP cost of 56.
2.- 3 (yes 3) memory slots.
3.- Has barely any range or lunge.
4.- Has slow start up and you are self stunning yourself for a LONG time, around 8-9 secs, from start to finish.
5.- And has next to no hyper armor, making easy to interrupt it.

Could also add that you gotta defeat one of the hardest bosses in the game to even get this.

Its sad, cause this is easily one of the best looking spells in the game, but its beyond terrible to use.

[Shepherd]

So many abilities in this game yet most of them aren't worth using.

[Amereth]

really good dmg.

beautiful too look at.

you get to be a flower.

why do you want more...

[Dollmaker]

Publicado originalmente por Amereth:

really good dmg.

beautiful too look at.

you get to be a flower.

why do you want more...

Being able to do said dmg at the very least lol

[Amereth]

Publicado originalmente por Dollmaker:

Publicado originalmente por Amereth:

really good dmg.

beautiful too look at.

you get to be a flower.

why do you want more...

Being able to do said dmg at the very least lol

hehe, i was having a conversation earlier about that spell. i think it need hyperarmor once you landed on the ground to help you sustain the dmg you receive because of the long recovery animation you are stuck with.

or they could accelerate the animation and make the spell more fluid too...

[Dollmaker]

Publicado originalmente por Amereth:

Publicado originalmente por Dollmaker:

Being able to do said dmg at the very least lol

hehe, i was having a conversation earlier about that spell. i think it need hyperarmor once you landed on the ground to help you sustain the dmg you receive because of the long recovery animation you are stuck with.

or they could accelerate the animation and make the spell more fluid too...

I think removing the stun after landing would help a lot more tbh, or at least heavily reduce it, plus hyper armor, cause its either that or heavily reducing the requirements of this thing, cause its heavily expensive for all the drawbacks it has.

[GrandTickler]

Ironjar Aromatic gives u hyper armor, dont underestimate it.
saw a pretty fun build showcased yesterday using this with a different spell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhNS1xfHI_E

[Amereth]

Publicado originalmente por GrandTickler:

Ironjar Aromatic gives u hyper armor, dont underestimate it.
saw a pretty fun build showcased yesterday using this with a different spell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhNS1xfHI_E

i do need to experiment more with that, i don't like being slow.

i spend most of my time being light weight so playing with ironjar aromatic is a bit weird for me.

[Dollmaker]

Publicado originalmente por < blank >:

Publicado originalmente por GrandTickler:

Ironjar Aromatic gives u hyper armor, dont underestimate it.
saw a pretty fun build showcased yesterday using this with a different spell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhNS1xfHI_E

yeah, definitely want to pair ironjar with any of these greedy spells if you are going to get serious about using them

i need to find a farm spot for living jar shard tho...

Maybe the ones in Caria Manor? it aint too far from a grace.

[Sabaithal]

Lots of spells with uber long casting times, close range spells chiefly, need more hyper armor to make them worth using. Change my mind.

[Dollmaker]

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Publicado originalmente por Dollmaker:

Maybe the ones in Caria Manor? it aint too far from a grace.

ah yeah where you drop down? i forgot about them, thanks

I think it was on a hole in the wall right before Loretta boss room

[GrandTickler]

yeah the being slow part can be a turn off, but id imagine quick swapping to something with bloodhound step would counter that as well?

[Amereth]

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Publicado originalmente por Amereth:

i do need to experiment more with that, i don't like being slow.

i spend most of my time being light weight so playing with ironjar aromatic is a bit weird for me.

i've used ironjar some in pvp situations and it is definitely a comittment moment - you dont want to use it unless you plan to defeat your opponents in the next few actions because you are certainly not going to be able to make an escape if you are in trouble

(law of regression removes the 'ironbody' effect though in an emergency)

if only law of regression didn't require intelligence...

[Grottowalker]

honestly most of the high investment spells are lacking....

hard for me to pick any of the spells that take up more then one slot, when i could be using 2-3 spells that fit a better range of use for both pvp and pve.

[Sabaithal]

Publicado originalmente por Amereth:

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i've used ironjar some in pvp situations and it is definitely a comittment moment - you dont want to use it unless you plan to defeat your opponents in the next few actions because you are certainly not going to be able to make an escape if you are in trouble

(law of regression removes the 'ironbody' effect though in an emergency)

if only law of regression didn't require intelligence...

It would certainly be more...appropriate.

[Buntkreuz]

You havent tried some ashes of war then.
There are some...that take roughly 2-3 seconds to be used, give no hyperarmor, get interupted by things like a projectile hit or a dagger hit.
Why? No one freaking knows.

This game is a masterclass of bad decisions regarding balancing.
Scorpion Stinger anyone? Arcane? Faith weapons? Strength builds in general?


Bows? The best you get is a D/D scaling on a maxed bow. Low damage even in the very first run, let alone NG+.
No infusions or scaling changes.
Meanwhile some Bows got an A or S scaling in DS3 and could be infused.
Elden Ring be like "Its a game about using magic and spells and stuff, not physical force."