Dex build without bleed feels useless.

[楊玄。杨玄。LangrisserWWE]

I have completed the game 3 times so far, running a pure strength, bleed dex and a faith strength build. I did respec to try out sorcery and other build but I feel sorcery is boring in my opinion, situational strong, but not very enjoyable for me. So I think I want to run a pure dex build for my new play thru. Which I am going to do it with dual spears or other dex weapons.

Sadly, having reach lvl 84 (because I believe in the whole experience of doing it from start to end), I feel pure dex feels lacking. Even the pre patched strength build feels a little more effective with the stagger and posture break. Dex is just fast attack but doesn't stagger much. Its pretty strong since your attack are faster but its a bad idea to trade blows with high poise enemies that do high damage. You have to dance around and dodge before landing your blows. But it still feels lacking.

Probably after playing too much strength build. I am probably unaccustomed to pure dex build. Still I find dex build very lacking since I had more success and satisfaction with dex BLEED builds. Pure dex just feels like a handicap worst than pure strength build pre patched.
Damage wise, not that great especially against enemies with huge health bar. Posture breaking wise... terrible. Bleed seem crucial for it to work properly but that means I have to invest on arcane.

So just wondering, what people feel about pure dex build with no bleed or status effects? Do you have issues or are you rocking with it?

[楊玄。杨玄。LangrisserWWE]

Originalmente postado por SexyFeet:

I did dex with no bleed for most of my first playthrough and felt the same way mostly. When I finally tried status effects, it felt like discovering the way I was actually supposed to play the game. Coupled with all the bleed buffing armor and talismans, I couldn't see a reason to not use it.

Exactly how I am feeling right now. Pure dex just not the same in darksouls and elden ring. Feels lacking or under performing.

[楊玄。杨玄。LangrisserWWE]

Originalmente postado por MisterRed:

Tbh I didn't feel that way, my first playthrough was a no bleed dex run. I used the Guardian Swordspear. Tbh it felt really solid, dealt a lot of damage

I am doing a twin spear build, did a lot of damage but took a lot too because some bosses simply have higher poise. Dancing around them can be quite tiring and openings are too few.

It ended up into a no mistake dance with the boss in the fight. Not very efficient.

[楊玄。杨玄。LangrisserWWE]

Originalmente postado por Crest:

Try to kill any spirit boss that doesn't bleed with bleed weapons. Yeah. That's what pure dex build is like

Agree, but those kind of bosses are few. Which makes pure dex less useful.

[楊玄。杨玄。LangrisserWWE]

Originalmente postado por justfaded:

Does heavy do more poise damage? Is that confirmed?

Not too sure, but from my experience. A couple of heavy attacks from colossal weapons bring most bosses to their kneels so you can crit them. I ran two colossal swords in my pure strength build I was surprised how fast I took out malenia pre patched with it.

[Rethias]

DEX IS USELESS WITHOUT BLEED GUYS

[Jester]

Originalmente postado por LangrisserWWE:

Originalmente postado por Pathetic Sort Ahead:

Lowkey think bleed isn't op if a lot more mobs are resistant to it. Gargoyles are a hell to kill with bleed katanas. It takes like 30 sec-1 minute for my strength build to kill one but it could become a boss battle for my bleed katanas.

That would make bleeds build quite situational. Not sure if that will improve the game experience, but I can see fewer people using bleed if bleed is nerfed due to more bleed resistance mob or bosses. Over all I enjoy playing with bleed build, it would be a shame if it is nerfed.

Or you could just equip something else lol. People are using strike weapons against crystalline warriors anyway.

[Rivaldman]

You will need a lot of attack buffs on on plain dex build to match the normal bleed procc. Of course, buffing on bleed, or other status effect, is even more op.

[Tiniturtle]

well not that pure dex or pure str is weak but in elden ring end game boss have alot more hp than in darksoul
and that is why statue effect proc deal % max hp as damage show alot more effective in game
plus bleed proc alot easier than in darksoul

[The_K00lDude]

It's cause bleed is broken. literally anything that would normally cause bleed, but doesn't is useless. The damage of bleed can often do more than the ar of the weapon (depends on enemy/player health)

[楊玄。杨玄。LangrisserWWE]

Originalmente postado por Pathetic Sort Ahead:

Originalmente postado por LangrisserWWE:

That would make bleeds build quite situational. Not sure if that will improve the game experience, but I can see fewer people using bleed if bleed is nerfed due to more bleed resistance mob or bosses. Over all I enjoy playing with bleed build, it would be a shame if it is nerfed.

Or you could just equip something else lol. People are using strike weapons against crystalline warriors anyway.

Yeah I have upgraded morning star just for them. And those miners. I always upgrade one strike weapon in each of my play thru.

[paladin181]

Good weapons like Moonveil don't spec around bleed. I ran a dual katana Dex-INT build that didn't care if it procced bleed. Sure, it still did, but not very often. And the weapons wrecked otherwise.

[FTZ35]

Make sure to grab a flail. That will give you access to strike damage against enemies that are resistant to your regular attacks. Also it has decent poise damage if you can land charged heavies, guard counters or jump attacks.

[Deykar]

The entire game feel like it prefers some form of hybrid build over just going pure 1 stat builds.

[楊玄。杨玄。LangrisserWWE]

Originalmente postado por Deykar:

The entire game feel like it prefers some form of hybrid build over just going pure 1 stat builds.

That's what I feel. Pure builds are no longer a thing in Elden ring. Hybrid is the way to go.