So, Hand Ballista or Jar Cannon?

[Miles (Tails) Prower]

Honestly, I do enjoy Jar-cannon action in open world portion, but I am starting to think Hand Ballista could be actually better than Jar. The damage difference for these 2 feels rather really small, and I am not sure on how does these 2 differ. I am testing both with full upgrade path, btw. They are actually serving me well as Pseudo refillers for health and focus.

But what do you think will be superiour here? I don't think judging by damage alone it kinda right thing.

[dande48]

I'd say the Jar Cannon:

-It upgrades with somber smithing stones (10), which are MUCH easier to come by than the 97 smithing stones you need for the Hand Ballista.

-The requirements for the Cannon are 34 Strength, 12 Dex, vs 30 Strength and 14 Dex. You're going to be strength focused, so it's generally better to keep dex as low as possible.

-The damage difference might feel small, but you get a damage increase for attacking enemies unseen. Plus there's the boost from the talismans.

[Sabaithal]

Just looking at the stats, not used either of them myself...

Fully upgraded Damage_
HB - 600 - Stance damage 150
JC - 672 - Stance damage 180

Weight_
HB - 10.0
JC - 15.0

Hand Ballista upgraded using smithing stones
Jar Cannon upgrades using sombering smithing stones

Other: Jar Cannon requires 4 more strength, but 2 less dexterity to wield.

Essentially the Jar Cannon has higher offensive stats, but also requires better stats to wield and weighs more, and requires sombering smithing stones instead of standard ones.

[Miles (Tails) Prower]

Well, on techniacl side with stats it definitely sure, that Jar Cannon is better, but I don't understand why Hand ballista feels somewhat better. Is there something else to consider that is not obvious? Or I am having placebo effect on that, idk.

[Sabaithal]

Originally posted by Miles (Tails) Prower:

Well, on techniacl side with stats it definitely sure, that Jar Cannon is better, but I don't understand why Hand ballista feels somewhat better. Is there something else to consider that is not obvious? Or I am having placebo effect on that, idk.

Haven't used either one of them, just got that stat info from the wiki. Does the hand ballista reload faster by any chance?

[Miles (Tails) Prower]

Originally posted by Sabaithal:

Originally posted by Miles (Tails) Prower:

Well, on techniacl side with stats it definitely sure, that Jar Cannon is better, but I don't understand why Hand ballista feels somewhat better. Is there something else to consider that is not obvious? Or I am having placebo effect on that, idk.

Haven't used either one of them, just got that stat info from the wiki. Does the hand ballista reload faster by any chance?

It doesn't really feel like it, but the start of reloading animation on hand ballista feels smoother. Well, since I feel like I am having a placebo effect, but I gotta check it out, hang on.

[Miles (Tails) Prower]

Originally posted by Sabaithal:

Originally posted by Miles (Tails) Prower:

Well, on techniacl side with stats it definitely sure, that Jar Cannon is better, but I don't understand why Hand ballista feels somewhat better. Is there something else to consider that is not obvious? Or I am having placebo effect on that, idk.

Haven't used either one of them, just got that stat info from the wiki. Does the hand ballista reload faster by any chance?

I've actually checked via timer and it seems like they both the same. 4 seconds each. Well, perhaps the accesibility early game was only differing factor, But overall, Jar Cannon is straight upgrade to hand ballista.

Love them both anyway.

[Miles (Tails) Prower]

Originally posted by Scoobydoo wr r u:

Originally posted by Miles (Tails) Prower:

Well, on techniacl side with stats it definitely sure, that Jar Cannon is better, but I don't understand why Hand ballista feels somewhat better. Is there something else to consider that is not obvious? Or I am having placebo effect on that, idk.

Jar cannon takes much longer to load up/prep before firing & much longer to wind down after.

The window of vulnerability on Jar cannon is not worth the extra damage at all.

Oh yeah, I've counted only time from shot to idle, not with ready up. Damn, so this is what bothered me. That seems the diffrerence and why I kinda started to love hand ballista more. Thanks for telling that!

[Captain Pike]

Even if the jar cannon is slower, it would serve better for the sniping purpose. Maximize damage though talismans and buffs and get a headshot for the ohk. The lightning greatbolts fly very straight and fast to make that easier.

[Sabaithal]

Originally posted by Pike:

Even if the jar cannon is slower, it would serve better for the sniping purpose. Maximize damage though charms and buffs and get a headshot for the ohk. The lightning greatbolts fly very straight and fast to make that easier.

Seems to be the case. The question really comes down to "Do you want to use one of these in the middle of combat, or as a sniper cannon?" Hand Ballista seems better for the former, Jar cannon better for the latter would be my guess.

[Miles (Tails) Prower]

Originally posted by Pike:

Even if the jar cannon is slower, it would serve better for the sniping purpose. Maximize damage though charms and buffs and get a headshot for the ohk. The lightning greatbolts fly very straight and fast to make that easier.

Are there any merchant for exlosive ones and lightning ones? I think I recall one guy in the Altus Plateau that sold infinite Lightning ones?

[Captain Pike]

Originally posted by Miles (Tails) Prower:

Originally posted by Pike:

Even if the jar cannon is slower, it would serve better for the sniping purpose. Maximize damage though charms and buffs and get a headshot for the ohk. The lightning greatbolts fly very straight and fast to make that easier.

Are there any merchant for exlosive ones and lightning ones? I think I recall one guy in the Altus Plateau that sold infinite Lightning ones?

Lightning is at the northern Atlus Plateau guy and Explosive is at at the Volcano guy

[Miles (Tails) Prower]

Originally posted by Pike:

Originally posted by Miles (Tails) Prower:

Are there any merchant for exlosive ones and lightning ones? I think I recall one guy in the Altus Plateau that sold infinite Lightning ones?

Lightning is at the northern Atlus Plateau guy and Explosive is at at the Volcano guy

Gotcha, gotta pay them a visit.