Anyone think jump attacks are a little strong?

[Tom]

I was killing some claymen when i noticed the damage numbers between my jump attack heavy and full charged heavy are within 20 points of each other (676 and 694.) But the jump attack is much faster and seems to deal about the same poise damage too. Are there times where the charge heavy is preferable?

Note. I am not asking for jump attacks to be nerfed, I think they are fine. But they do seem much better than charged heavies and maybe those charged attacks could be buffed in some way?

[burdfishdemon]

Jumping itself costs stamina in battle, and those speccing into END are already paying premiums just to carry armor that doesn't do much. Without a certain talisman for stamina regen, jumping heavies can certainly get you into trouble if you're obsessed. They're still good damage, but they leave you pretty vulnerable.

[Lylliana of Mirrah]

Escrito originalmente por Tom:

I was killing some claymen when i noticed the damage numbers between my jump attack heavy and full charged heavy are within 20 points of each other (676 and 694.) But the jump attack is much faster and seems to deal about the same poise damage too. Are there times where the charge heavy is preferable?

Note. I am not asking for jump attacks to be nerfed, I think they are fine. But they do seem much better than charged heavies and maybe those charged attacks could be buffed in some way?

DS3 plunging attack...

[Blitz4]

Escrito originalmente por Tiasmoon:

Watched Asmongold beat Radagon and Elden Beast by spamming jump attacks. In case of Radagon he could avoid a lot of his aoe ground attacks with the jump.

https://youtu.be/lAHwtBUbUv0?t=192
(3:12) dunno why it doesnt use timestamp.

With all the bonus you get on jump attacks it certainly feels too strong. Good posture damage. Jumps can avoid ground attacks and sweeps, some other swings. Doesnt cost FP to use. AI doesnt react to jump attacks.

Escrito originalmente por Quadsword:

Colossal weapons are already the worst weapon class by a country mile and you want to make them even worse? Why does everyone hate strength builds so much?

What hate against str builds? Also, colossal weapon builds arent the only str builds.

Um. You're only showing part of the story there. It's still not OP...

https://imgur.com/qhbiE51


https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Game+Progress+Route
suggest to be SL150 with a +25 weapon

If that's OP then so are dual wielding big hammer PvP
If that's OP, then .. then they have to make a lot of other stuff not as weak..

[Tiasmoon]

His jump attacks werent remotely min/maxed. They only hit for 1,300~1,600 orso.
Hell 2k would be easy to do even without much in the way of buffs.

What part of the story didnt I show? His is nowhere near a best case scenario.

Neither is this:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2788680255

Leaving aside that on top of that this also causes heavy posture damage (similar to flames of redmane ashes) and the jump allows you to evade many attacks.

[Blitz4]

Escrito originalmente por Tiasmoon:

His jump attacks werent remotely min/maxed. They only hit for 1,300~1,600 orso.
Hell 2k would be easy to do even without much in the way of buffs.

What part of the story didnt I show? His is nowhere near a best case scenario.

It's part of the game. This is why PvP is used to balance PvE lol.

This is the dual wielding big hammer 99 strength build.
There's other builds that are even better.

[Lime]

With raptor chest and claw talisman, it's certainly up there. The damage to recovery ratio is what's big about it.

[TropicalLad]

Charged heavies are still better for posture breaks, it's just jump heavy attacks isn't too far off from it. The main drawback for jump attacks is how long until you can do an action after one and eats through stamina.