Leveling Arcane Worth It?

[Shizofrend98HR]

I'd love to level arcane to improve drop rates but I am not sure if that will handicap me later on.
Is using it as a damage dealing stat much worse than dex, str or quality in higher levels?

I roll with straight swords, shield and melee knight set-up.
Maybe even greatsword if there'a a fast attacking one.
Haven't figured out how to change stats that weapons scale with yet and probably not even a material for it but I think it exists in this game.

Thinking of trying to get that one arcane scaling straight sword at east limgrave in church but again.
Would I have enough materials to have a couple of arcane scaling straight swords by time I'm done with on third of map or so?
Does it really suck versus endgame bosses unless you use bleed?
Is arcane bleed decent overall?
I don't like wasting too much materials and upgrades for something I might have to ditch near endgame.

Think I read somewhere str bumps dmg up slightly no matter what so would it be bad if I left str and dex on low just to wield some straight swords and invest all the rest in arcane and some in vig and end?

Can a weapon have both bleed and arcabe scaling? Like; if some straight sword I like has neither I can apply some items to it that make it scale with arcane and apply bleed or can I only choose one of those if said weapon has neither by default?

p.s. blood loss thingy is different than bleed, right?
noticed uchigatana makes enemies lose a chunk of hp after I smash them enough, even with normal attack. But bleed wouldn't do that, no? It makes them take DoT after it procs I suppose.

[Tiasmoon]

Originally posted by Lost Soul in a fish bowl:

I'd love to level arcane to improve drop rates but I am not sure if that will handicap me later on.
Is using it as a damage dealing stat much worse than dex, str or quality in higher levels?

That depends. Do you want to use Ashes of war or jump attacks and stuff? Ashes of War damage mostly depends on base weapon damage, meaning the most important thing is your weapon upgrade level.

Most stats wont effect skill damage at all, and the ones that do wont effect it much.
A +10 Moonveil with 40 Int deals 959 damage with its vertical.
A +10 Moonveil with 80 Int deals 1130 damage with its vertical.
While the weapon has Str and Dex scaling as well, neither effects its skill weapon.

Personally I'd say: only get as much dex/str as you need to be able to use your weapons of choice. Put the rest into other stats you'd want to have.
Because weapon scaling only matters if you use normal attacks most of the time. (or are at super high level and you want to min/max your damage done)

Originally posted by SadPlatty©:

Otherwise, it does "increases your resistance to Instant Death" which I believe would translate to "If boss A hits for 1500, and you got 1400 life, you are down to 1", but didn't care enough to look into it.

''Instant Death'' = Deathblight buildup.

[♔V3RD1CT]

Originally posted by Shiroe (Cortana):

arcane if you go for status effects, such as bleed, poison, frost, etc

Proc build is for arc. It also carries a great pve factor of increased drop rate. Making it gold if you're a rogue esk like myself.

[D. Flame]

Originally posted by Lost Soul in a fish bowl:

Originally posted by D. Flame:

ARC is the most broken build since the buffs in the last few patches. You may as well pump it up and farm whatever you are farming while ARC is still broken as hell. Then if they nerf it, just respec.

I am play on version before 1.3 because 120hz adaptive vsync stutter fix works only on game version before 1.3

Then why do you even care? You can't play online anyway, so . . .

[Shoepots]

Originally posted by Lost Soul in a fish bowl:

Speaking off, what's a good video that nicely showcases all ashes of war? I don't wonna waste something on a weapon when I don't even know what it does and how good it us. Sure extra info page explains it but that's not enough. That's why I didn't try any yet. Gonna try and find a videi that showcases them all and hopefully has time stamps or somethinf and then see what each one I have atm does.

Ashes of war are reusable and you and switch them between weapons at the smith or at a grace if you've found the item.. It's not a permanent thing on a weapon and it doesn't get consumed.

[Petra]

Originally posted by Lost Soul in a fish bowl:

I can endlessly respec my levels in elden ring?
Haven't gotten to that point yet and only have ine respec material so far.

Not endlessly but they generous enough for you to experiment with your build.
You will get 18 Larval Tear (18 times to respec) and it will keep the rest of unused Larval Tear for NG+.
So just experiment a bit but if you want to be safe just backup your save file before you respec your character if you don't like it just reload the save file.

[Poison Mind]

Originally posted by Lost Soul in a fish bowl:

I'd feel bad using ash of war on weapon and theb losing it probably permanetly and in like 50 hours or more I've only found one aah duplication item ),;

You don't loose ashes of war when you apply it to a weapon, you can reuse it on others weapons at will and revert to a weapon's vanilla ash at will too.
You can only use an ash of war on one weapon at a time, tho ; meaning, if you use blade dance on a greatsword but want to try it out on a twinblade : it will remove it on your greatsword and apply it to the twinblade.
You seem to be already aware there is an item to duplicate ashes of war, it only allows you to apply the same ash of war on several weapons ; not that usefull imho.

[Sakhari]

Just a couple notes on Arcane's actual benefits so you don't build up on it expecting it to do something it doesn't:

- Arcane does 'not' improve buildup on 'all' status effects. It only improves Bleed and Poison buildup rates on weapons that have an Arcane scaling stat. The natural Bleed effect on a Flail, for example, doesn't improve with Arcane unless you give it Arcane scaling by changing the weapon's type to Occult or Bleed.

Rot, Freezing, Madness, and presumably Sleep (though I didn't get a chance to test that last one) on weapons are not affected by Arcane, even if the weapon does have Arcane scaling (changing the affinity on an Antspur Rapier for example).

- The Item Find benefit is nice but it's not going to be a quick night-and-day difference and I wouldn't build Arcane just for that. You're not likely to feel a significant difference until you have quite a few points invested.

[MULTIPASS]

Originally posted by Lost Soul in a fish bowl:

So it buffa all status build ups? Sick!

ohh, blood loss and bleed is same, huh? Good to know.

I can endlessly respec my levels in elden ring?
Haven't gotten to that point yet and only have ine respec material so far.

Seeing how it buffs all status effects than I will certainly go arcane scaling straight sword with frost! I just love frost in video games.

I wish I could get more straight swords faster though. So far I've cleared west limgrave and that island to south but only found three of them. straight sword, bastard sword and some other basic straight sword. Got luckly last night tho and birb dropped one of their claw swords for me so gonna try that out.

Say, is item to duplicate ash of war farmable/unlimited or limited?

I'd feel bad using ash of war on weapon and theb losing it probably permanetly and in like 50 hours or more I've only found one aah duplication item ),;

Still don't entierly get how all that workswhen you wonna put stuff on weapons though; ashes of war, stat scaling change, status effect applying.
What I mean is, what do you put on weapons to give them different stat scaling, what do you put on weapons to give them ability to proc statuses. Is there really only one version of each ash of war if you don't duplicate it?
Speaking off, what's a good video that nicely showcases all ashes of war? I don't wonna waste something on a weapon when I don't even know what it does and how good it us. Sure extra info page explains it but that's not enough. That's why I didn't try any yet. Gonna try and find a videi that showcases them all and hopefully has time stamps or somethinf and then see what each one I have atm does.

Arcane doesn't affects ALL statuses, definitely bleed and poison when they are paired with arcane scaling on the weapon. It definitely doesn't affect frost, I just tested by changing from 80 arcane back to 8 and it made no difference.

You can't respec endlessly, you get about 15 total per run through the game. The item to duplicate ashes is also finite per run.

When you put an ash on a weapon you choose the affinity, and the affinity is what changes scaling and potentially adds status effects.

Also, ashes of war are infinitely re-usable, meaning you can take it off one weapon and put it on a different one whenever you want. Each ash can only be on one weapon at a time, though, which is why you make duplicates if you want the same ash on different weapons at the same time.

[Sakhari]

Originally posted by orksmith:

Arcane doesn't affects ALL statuses, definitely bleed and poison when they are paired with arcane scaling on the weapon. It definitely doesn't affect frost, I just tested by changing from 80 arcane back to 8 and it made no difference.

Yep. As I said, weapon-wise, 'only' Bleed and Poison are affected and only on weapons that scale with Arcane. Even with Arcane scaling, none of the other statuses are affected.

Originally posted by Lost Soul in a fish bowl:

Seeing how it buffs all status effects than I will certainly go arcane scaling straight sword with frost! I just love frost in video games.

Frost-buildup isn't improved by Arcane but on the plus side, it isn't improved by anything else either and has a naturally high buildup rate regardless of your build so if you want to use it for the status effect, you can throw it on pretty much anything. The weapon-damage probably won't be stellar if you're not building for Int (which Frost-affinity weapons scale with) and the weapon's natural primary stat but the Frostbite buildup will work fine.

[SadPlatty©]

Originally posted by SmallGespenst:

the thing you're talking about in Bloodborne is an Insight thing, I'm pretty sure at least, Arcane is basically just for using magic items and some weapons

Oh man - that's right, I forgot what the "humanity"/"rune arc" was in that game (now I remember though, madman's INSIGHT )

Yeah, ARC was just "magic" in that too (like Tonitrus or whatever that cool electric mace was).

Originally posted by Tiasmoon:

''Instant Death'' = Deathblight buildup.

And makes sense, I also suspected that might be the full gravity of it; guess I was hopeful they may have added onto what exactly is "instant death" (which thinking on it a bit more would likely get a bit "broken" with falls working right and stuff).

[Humpenstilzchen]

Originally posted by PistolaoBR:

P.S the only special weapon that scaling mainly with arcane is the bloody helice... hope it helps

And Eleonoras Poleblade, which is a great weapon.

[Shizofrend98HR]

Originally posted by D. Flame:

Originally posted by Lost Soul in a fish bowl:

I am play on version before 1.3 because 120hz adaptive vsync stutter fix works only on game version before 1.3

Then why do you even care? You can't play online anyway, so . . .

? huh?

i am saying i am playing on older version cuz stutter fix doesn't work on 1.3 and aobve so I was wondering if drops rates on 1.2.3 are much worse than in latest patch or not. which patch did improve drop rates exactly?

[Shizofrend98HR]

Originally posted by Reighnvhasta:

Originally posted by Lost Soul in a fish bowl:

Speaking off, what's a good video that nicely showcases all ashes of war? I don't wonna waste something on a weapon when I don't even know what it does and how good it us. Sure extra info page explains it but that's not enough. That's why I didn't try any yet. Gonna try and find a videi that showcases them all and hopefully has time stamps or somethinf and then see what each one I have atm does.

Ashes of war are reusable and you and switch them between weapons at the smith or at a grace if you've found the item.. It's not a permanent thing on a weapon and it doesn't get consumed.

ohh. should've just googled that one beforehand, lol, mb.

[Shizofrend98HR]

Originally posted by Poison Mind:

Originally posted by Lost Soul in a fish bowl:

I'd feel bad using ash of war on weapon and theb losing it probably permanetly and in like 50 hours or more I've only found one aah duplication item ),;

You don't loose ashes of war when you apply it to a weapon, you can reuse it on others weapons at will and revert to a weapon's vanilla ash at will too.
You can only use an ash of war on one weapon at a time, tho ; meaning, if you use blade dance on a greatsword but want to try it out on a twinblade : it will remove it on your greatsword and apply it to the twinblade.
You seem to be already aware there is an item to duplicate ashes of war, it only allows you to apply the same ash of war on several weapons ; not that usefull imho.

ohh, i see. and weapons keep their vanilla ones? cool!

[Shizofrend98HR]

Originally posted by Sakhari:

Just a couple notes on Arcane's actual benefits so you don't build up on it expecting it to do something it doesn't:

- Arcane does 'not' improve buildup on 'all' status effects. It only improves Bleed and Poison buildup rates on weapons that have an Arcane scaling stat. The natural Bleed effect on a Flail, for example, doesn't improve with Arcane unless you give it Arcane scaling by changing the weapon's type to Occult or Bleed.

Rot, Freezing, Madness, and presumably Sleep (though I didn't get a chance to test that last one) on weapons are not affected by Arcane, even if the weapon does have Arcane scaling (changing the affinity on an Antspur Rapier for example).

- The Item Find benefit is nice but it's not going to be a quick night-and-day difference and I wouldn't build Arcane just for that. You're not likely to feel a significant difference until you have quite a few points invested.

I see. thx for detailed info