So... Erdsteel dagger

[Melchiah]

So I'm currently playing a FTH character to see how it goes, and I thought the Erdsteel Dagger would be a good choise... but it has 110 crit like a rapier (or the Noble's Slender Sword), but then again compared to a regular dagger it's only 20 points less (and 30 less than misericorde... DAMN!).

I've really not had a good run with this thing because it has basically no poise damage, and when it comes to crits it's pretty much outperformed by the Noble's Slender Sword (or even a Falchion with only 100 crit).

Is this thing just awful or am I missing something?

[Amereth]

it is awful you aren't missing anything , if you are pure faith, go with the misericorde and infuse it with sacred and you are golden.

blade of calling and black knife are you best option once you find them.

[Melchiah]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Amereth:

it is awful you aren't missing anything , if you are pure faith, go with the misericorde and infuse it with sacred and you are golden.

That's... dissapointing, guess I'll stick to my Noble's Slender Sword cause it's a good all rounder, unless Misericorde does massive damage with crits on bosses. Honestly I was expecting it to be good cause it scales with FTH while giving pure physical damage.

[0wnz0r]

it apparently gets a lot better after u put in a faith scalin ash of war, for sacred scalin

[Amereth]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Melchiah:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Amereth:

it is awful you aren't missing anything , if you are pure faith, go with the misericorde and infuse it with sacred and you are golden.

That's... dissapointing, guess I'll stick to my Noble's Slender Sword cause it's a good all rounder, unless Misericorde does massive damage with crits on bosses. Honestly I was expecting it to be good cause it scales with FTH while giving pure physical damage.

if you are pure faith and infuse misericorde with sacred the dagger scale from faith and yes it hit hard.

from my personnal experience Black Knife is the number 1 dagger in the game if we forget how status is busted right now...

[815|Shouldabeen]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Melchiah:

So I'm currently playing a FTH character to see how it goes, and I thought the Erdsteel Dagger would be a good choise... but it has 110 crit like a rapier (or the Noble's Slender Sword), but then again compared to a regular dagger it's only 20 points less (and 30 less than misericorde... DAMN!).

I've really not had a good run with this thing because it has basically no poise damage, and when it comes to crits it's pretty much outperformed by the Noble's Slender Sword (or even a Falchion with only 100 crit).

Is this thing just awful or am I missing something?

I started toying with a faith build a while back and eventually gave up on it. I wanted a build that was based around using the weapon buffs. The problem with this is that the only weapon that scales with faith and can be buffed is erdsteel dagger. And, the dagger is quite trash. And any other weapon that doesn't have faith scaling means that I'm going to be missing out on a lot of weapon damage for a very long time. (probably 40 vigor/40 fth before I begin leveling other stats).

So in the end it got put on the backburner and I decided to just use a regular longsword with a sacred flame art.

[Dollmaker]

Yeah i tried that dagger for a bit, didnt liked it, the moveset is good though, but both Calling and Black Knife daggers have the same one and are way better.

[Melchiah]

Thank you all for your feedback, I've decided to never use that thing again.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย 815|Shouldabeen:

I started toying with a faith build a while back and eventually gave up on it. I wanted a build that was based around using the weapon buffs. The problem with this is that the only weapon that scales with faith and can be buffed is erdsteel dagger. And, the dagger is quite trash. And any other weapon that doesn't have faith scaling means that I'm going to be missing out on a lot of weapon damage for a very long time. (probably 40 vigor/40 fth before I begin leveling other stats).

So in the end it got put on the backburner and I decided to just use a regular longsword with a sacred flame art.

While it wasn't my original goal to build on weapon buffs (I want to take my pure FTH as far as possible) I've ran into that issue as well; I have black flame blade and nothing to use it on, and it's even worse considering how little it lasts and how much FP it costs... so I've decided to never use it (just like the erdsteel dagger).

[815|Shouldabeen]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Melchiah:

Thank you all for your feedback, I've decided to never use that thing again.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย 815|Shouldabeen:

I started toying with a faith build a while back and eventually gave up on it. I wanted a build that was based around using the weapon buffs. The problem with this is that the only weapon that scales with faith and can be buffed is erdsteel dagger. And, the dagger is quite trash. And any other weapon that doesn't have faith scaling means that I'm going to be missing out on a lot of weapon damage for a very long time. (probably 40 vigor/40 fth before I begin leveling other stats).

So in the end it got put on the backburner and I decided to just use a regular longsword with a sacred flame art.

While it wasn't my original goal to build on weapon buffs (I want to take my pure FTH as far as possible) I've ran into that issue as well; I have black flame blade and nothing to use it on, and it's even worse considering how little it lasts and how much FP it costs... so I've decided to never use it (just like the erdsteel dagger).

That's the exact spell I was looking to do my build around. You can get it really easy and relatively early. But the whole issue is that it doesn't become useful until you hit hyper late game and can use it to buff a str/dex weapon when you have 40+ points into that stat.

[Sabaithal]

Its a dagger, what are you expecting? If it has no innate bleed or high crit like the Miscerode then its a trash weapon.

I have one but I don't use it to hit stuff, I use it to buff then immediately switch to something else.

[Melchiah]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย 815|Shouldabeen:

That's the exact spell I was looking to do my build around. You can get it really easy and relatively early. But the whole issue is that it doesn't become useful until you hit hyper late game and can use it to buff a str/dex weapon when you have 40+ points into that stat.

Believe it or not, the Erdsteel Dagger is a good candidate for Black Flame Blade. The spell lasts about 10 seconds (takes 1 to cast) and with the speed of a dagger you can build up damage quite fast. It's also quite helpful that the Erdsteel Dagger has FTH scaling while also allowing you to enchant it (as long as you keep the standard affinity).

[Empty Pockets]

Just for the record, since this is an old thread and the info is frankly kind of bad: Erdsteel Dagger is BY FAR one of the best weapons in the game for a pure-faith build. It's (as far as I can determine searching online) the only weapon that scales its physical damage with Faith, on top of any elemental damage from infusions. That means if you infuse it as Flame or Sacred, you'll be improving both its physical and elemental damage. This makes it surprisingly good against late game bosses, who are typically strong against holy and flame (less so flame, but it can still be a pain in the ass). And, like you mentioned, it's one of the best, if not the outright best, candidates for Black Flame Blade, since BFB does percent max health damage and the Erdsteel Dagger can put out a high number of hits over the short BFB duration, which is another solid way to deal with late game bosses.

On a pure Faith build (i.e. 80 faith and minimum dex and strength), Erdsteel Dagger's AR (damage) falls only ~60 or so shy of a longsword, which is EXTREMELY impressive for a dagger. It also significantly outperforms Misericorde for a pure faith build, so I'm not sure what that other guy was talking about. Blade of Calling and Black Knife too, though they have their unique skills which may influence personal preference. Erdsteel Dagger does over 100 damage more than all three of them for a pure faith character. There are also two of them per playthrough, which allows you to powerstance them. Pure faith users absolutely shouldn't sleep on this weapon, especially if you just need something when the enemy gets too close for incantations. It's obviously less good when your faith is still low, but the higher your faith gets the better this dagger becomes.

[Dollmaker]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Empty Pockets:

Just for the record, since this is an old thread and the info is frankly kind of bad: Erdsteel Dagger is BY FAR one of the best weapons in the game for a pure-faith build. It's (as far as I can determine searching online) the only weapon that scales its physical damage with Faith, on top of any elemental damage from infusions. That means if you infuse it as Flame or Sacred, you'll be improving both its physical and elemental damage. This makes it surprisingly good against late game bosses, who are typically strong against holy and flame (less so flame, but it can still be a pain in the ass). And, like you mentioned, it's one of the best, if not the outright best, candidates for Black Flame Blade, since BFB does percent max health damage and the Erdsteel Dagger can put out a high number of hits over the short BFB duration, which is another solid way to deal with late game bosses.

On a pure Faith build (i.e. 80 faith and minimum dex and strength), Erdsteel Dagger's AR (damage) falls only ~60 or so shy of a longsword, which is EXTREMELY impressive for a dagger. It also significantly outperforms Misericorde for a pure faith build, so I'm not sure what that other guy was talking about. Blade of Calling and Black Knife too, though they have their unique skills which may influence personal preference. Erdsteel Dagger does over 100 damage more than all three of them for a pure faith character. There are also two of them per playthrough, which allows you to powerstance them. Pure faith users absolutely shouldn't sleep on this weapon, especially if you just need something when the enemy gets too close for incantations. It's obviously less good when your faith is still low, but the higher your faith gets the better this dagger becomes.

Like you said old thread.

Yeah i know that Erdsteel Daggers are slept on now.

But tbf, my main dislike of them is the design of their scabbards.

I still prefer either Blade of Calling or Black Knife.

And yeah, people shouldn't underestimate the double slash.

[Illumina]

Don't daggers whiff constantly on bad hitboxes?

[Key]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Illumina:

Don't daggers whiff constantly on bad hitboxes?

This. Daggers suck because of their reach, no amount of damage or scaling can make up for the fact that you miss half your hits on a bunch of bosses.

[hemorrhage911]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Key:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Illumina:

Don't daggers whiff constantly on bad hitboxes?

This. Daggers suck because of their reach, no amount of damage or scaling can make up for the fact that you miss half your hits on a bunch of bosses.

Daggers go patched like 4-5 patches ago. They addressed the hitbox issue.