Why is Raging Wolf armor missable?

[kestar]

Seriously. It's the flagship armor, they show it in all game trailers and posters. They hype it up such that pretty much every player in ER wants it.

And then what? They make it miss-able through some typical DS-esque obtuse questlines that only VaatiVydia understands what they're about and that you have every chance to fail if you don't consult a guide.

It's just outright trolling on the devs part. Buy hey, 10/10 goty best game every. Super amazing quest design and whatnot.

[kestar]

Originally posted by Angarvin:

Originally posted by Dino:

I don't think you understand what missable means in fromsoft context

it.. means that you can miss it? didn't do the volcano quests = no armor. didn't find the heligtree = no melania. didn't do the renni quest = no radahn tournament. no?

Missable means that if you (by mistake or intentional) go and do some quests in the wrong order or if you make the wrong decision during a quest or if you kill some NPC, then you will permanently be locked from ever getting said item/ability/quest etc. in the current playthough and you then have to start another game.

[Angarvin]

Originally posted by Dino:

Originally posted by Angarvin:

it.. means that you can miss it? didn't do the volcano quests = no armor. didn't find the heligtree = no melania. didn't do the renni quest = no radahn tournament. no?

You can come back to melania at any point, missable means permanently (until going to new game+) also rad isn't tied to ranni's quest so you can come back and do it later too, the armour is missable as it's tied to a questline and if you ♥♥♥♥ it up, no coming back for it

m. okay, i see what you mean.
but then.. i think radahn in the trailer is sane and has both feet so mb it's the lore backdrop of not the player but the first tarnished being displayed? still does nothing for those who just wanted the armor but still

[Caramel_Clown]

The fact that it's such a symbolic armor and it's missable perfectly sums up Elden Ring. It's not a game that presents it's entirety to you. You are encouraged to explore things it has to offer by yourself. Or don't. Really choice is yours. It rewards curiosity.

[Dino]

Originally posted by Angarvin:

Originally posted by Dino:

You can come back to melania at any point, missable means permanently (until going to new game+) also rad isn't tied to ranni's quest so you can come back and do it later too, the armour is missable as it's tied to a questline and if you ♥♥♥♥ it up, no coming back for it

m. okay, i see what you mean.
but then.. i think radahn in the trailer is sane and has both feet so mb it's the lore backdrop of not the player but the first tarnished being displayed? still does nothing for those who just wanted the armor but still

People just want the armour because it's like the face armour of the game, like elite knight in ds1 or mark 6 in halo 3

[kestar]

Originally posted by DonJuanDoja:

1. You rushed the game, missing it was your fault.
2. Lotta people including me like that things are missable, for reasons.
3. One of those reasons is that it teaches people they can't always have what they want, especially if they rush through things and don't have a plan.

I got that armor and I didn't even know it existed. Wasn't even trying. I just played the game and talked to npcs and did what they asked.

I'll end up missing a few things, but not much. Because I play slow and I don't care that I haven't beaten the game yet.

Everyone's watching youtube and rushing things that they see online. That's the problem not fromsoft's design.

No, it's not my fault. FromSoft quests are obscure and written in an cryptic way, which makes things super easy to miss.

If you want things to be fair, then at least give me a genuine chance to attempt to complete the quest. Let me use my brain, have me do some problem solving. Instead, FromSoft locks stuff behind quests that I am forced to do in a fixed order or I fail them permanently. As a player, you need to either read up using a guide in order to get right or if you complete it correctly then it's purely by accident.

[kestar]

Originally posted by Caramel_Clown:

The fact that it's such a symbolic armor and it's missable perfectly sums up Elden Ring. It's not a game that presents it's entirety to you. You are encouraged to explore things it has to offer by yourself. Or don't. Really choice is yours. It rewards curiosity.

No it doesn't. In this particular case. It rewards you for accidentally doing the quests in the expected order that the devs wanted you to do them in. It's purely arbitrary and thus completely unfair.

[Krono]

Originally posted by kestar:

No it doesn't. In this particular case. It rewards you for accidentally doing the quests in the expected order that the devs wanted you to do them in. It's purely arbitrary and thus completely unfair.

Maybe a game like call of duty would be more to your liking, where you're gently led by the hand down a narrow hallway and handed everything for free

[kestar]

Originally posted by Krono:

Originally posted by kestar:

No it doesn't. In this particular case. It rewards you for accidentally doing the quests in the expected order that the devs wanted you to do them in. It's purely arbitrary and thus completely unfair.

Maybe a game like call of duty would be more to your liking, where you're gently led by the hand down a narrow hallway and handed everything for free

Typical git-gudder response. What? You dared criticize this perfect game? Well, that must be because you are a Fortnite fan, isn't it?

FromSoft games quest design does not reward skill of any kind. It just rewards luck and is arbitrary in nature.

Hey, you completed the steps of this obscure quest in the exact order that the powers that be expected you to? Good, here's the reward.

What? You got creative and did stuff in a slightly different sequence of steps than the one we wanted you to follow? Haha, you wanted to use your brain? Well, that's too bad. You will be permanently locked out of this reward. Better luck next playthough.

Amazing design, what can I say.

I would actually have no qualms with it if they actually demanded the player to use their brain and solve a problem. But as it is, the criteria for success is purely arbitrary.

[Strider]

Originally posted by kestar:

Seriously. It's the flagship armor, they show it in all game trailers and posters. They hype it up such that pretty much every player in ER wants it.

And then what? They make it miss-able through some typical DS-esque obtuse questlines that only VaatiVydia understands what they're about and that you have every chance to fail if you don't consult a guide.

It's just outright trolling on the devs part. Buy hey, 10/10 goty best game every. Super amazing quest design and whatnot.

I would rather have it super rare then see every noob in the game with it makes it more special

[Krono]

Originally posted by kestar:

Typical git-gudder response. What? You dared criticize this perfect game? Well, that must be because you are a Fortnite fan, isn't it?

Must suck to have to put a small amount of thought and effort into something.

Originally posted by kestar:

FromSoft games quest design does not reward skill of any kind. It just rewards luck and is arbitrary in nature.

Fromsoft quests reward exploration, paying attention to dialogue, and investigating the different clues you were given.

Originally posted by kestar:

Hey, you completed the steps of this obscure quest in the exact order that the powers that be expected you to? Good, here's the reward.

What? You got creative and did stuff in a slightly different sequence of steps than the one we wanted you to follow? Haha, you wanted to use your brain? Well, that's too bad. You will be permanently locked out of this reward. Better luck next playthough.

Amazing design, what can I say.

I would actually have no qualms with it if they actually demanded the player to use their brain and solve a problem. But as it is, the criteria for success is purely arbitrary.

See above. You get the Raging Wolf armor as a reward for doing things for the Volcano Manor faction, and you went and murdered the leader of that faction. Is that such a hard concept to understand?

[Revan619]

Look man. If vaatividya can take the time to steal his scripts from reddit, you can too.

[WolfOfTheGate]

Originally posted by Dino:

That armour is actually really ugly

looks badass to me

[Thywolflord]

Originally posted by Krono:

They made the flagship armor a special set that takes effort to find. Oh the humanity, riots in the streets, god save the queen

well, the queen is dead, so yeah... xD