Yet another thread: Why would I even use Ashes of war?

[TommyEV]

Like many others I'm not happy with the balance changes in this patch. Sure, make ashes/weapons/spells so that they aren't much, much better than others but don't completely destroy them. It's not that I don't want to use them over others, it's that I simply don't want to use most of them now.

Why would I use this slow attack that consumes FP and sometimes even takes my HP when I could simply tap RB, swing my weapon and do twice as much damage for free? I really don't get it.

Rather than balancing, they have completely nerfed everything that was fun. I will survive, it's not the end of the world, I didn't rely on them. But it's a terrible approach.

[TommyEV]

I suppose I'd like to hear examples like "well I use X in this situation" because right now I don't see the point of most offensive ashes.

Quicksteps and Bloodhound are fun but from an exploration standpoint.

[Casval Zem Daikun]

The Bloody Slash nerf was pretty ridiculous.
Altho I've only ever used it on a dex/katana build, still it was more worthwhile than R1, especially against armored enemies you'd bounce off.

[TommyEV]

Originally posted by Casval Zem Daikun:

The Bloody Slash nerf was pretty ridiculous.
Altho I've only ever used it on a dex/katana build, still it was more worthwhile than R1, especially against armored enemies you'd bounce off.

I didn't even use that one but it feels like one of the worst offenders.
Less damage AND longer windup AND twice the HP?

[Sabaithal]

Originally posted by TommyEV:

I suppose I'd like to hear examples like "well I use X in this situation" because right now I don't see the point of most offensive ashes.

Quicksteps and Bloodhound are fun but from an exploration standpoint.

Offensive ashes are capable of doing considerable damage where standard attacks fail at times. Done it many times with just the basic "square off". And because it consumes FP as well as SP, it justifies it being more powerful than a standard attack.

Margit for example, at low level (level 18 or so) barely takes a sliver of damage from an unupgraded longsword. But the weapon art R1 takes a much more noticable chunk out of him. Not the only boss that takes more damage from weapon arts either.

If they seriously nerfed them significantly, I'm going to look into how to revert the patch. It can be done, its just a pain in the ass.

[urabe mikoto]

Because they do massive damage, have enormous range or add status effects

[Deviant]

atleast put some effort in trolling...LMAO ashes of war is the most OP thing in this game they are better than most incancations they cost less FP they do more damage and you can cast them faster and you are naturally more tanky becuz its a melee build you doing not to mention my weapon art did 5 times more damage than just hitting them with my weapon so nice troll saying ashes of war are useless 5/7 for effort

[Nargacuga]

Originally posted by urabe mikoto:

Because they do massive damage, have enormous range or add status effects

This. Being able to attack at range with no warning, for just a little bit of FP? It's a godsend for any melee fighter. I use the beast shout all the time to punk on invaders that try to heal mid-fight.

[TommyEV]

Originally posted by urabe mikoto:

Because they do massive damage, have enormous range or add status effects

Examples?

[TommyEV]

Originally posted by Deviant:

atleast put some effort in trolling...LMAO ashes of war is the most OP thing in this game they are better than most incancations they cost less FP they do more damage and you can cast them faster and you are naturally more tanky becuz its a melee build you doing not to mention my weapon art did 5 times more damage than just hitting them with my weapon so nice troll saying ashes of war are useless 5/7 for effort

I'm 100% serious, it sounds like you guys don't know how to upgrade or pick the right weapon. My go to weapons are better than most ashes.

[Sabaithal]

Originally posted by TommyEV:

Originally posted by urabe mikoto:

Because they do massive damage, have enormous range or add status effects

Examples?

Any bleed enchantment.

[Nargacuga]

Originally posted by TommyEV:

I'm 100% serious, it sounds like you guys don't know how to upgrade or pick the right weapon. My go to weapons are better than most ashes.

Which weapons do you use? Genuine question, it's always great to see how other people play.

[TommyEV]

Originally posted by Sabaithal:

Originally posted by TommyEV:

Examples?

Any bleed enchantment.

But I can do an attack in half the time and deal the same or more damage.

[Gigabyte]

Bloodhounds step allows you to be overburdened and get more i frames than a light roll so id call that way to good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI-whpdkef0&t=3s

[urabe mikoto]

Originally posted by TommyEV:

Originally posted by urabe mikoto:

Because they do massive damage, have enormous range or add status effects

Examples?

I can't think of a single one that does less damage than a regular attack or has shorter range. I don't even know what are you talking about

[Theta]

Originally posted by TommyEV:

Originally posted by Deviant:

atleast put some effort in trolling...LMAO ashes of war is the most OP thing in this game they are better than most incancations they cost less FP they do more damage and you can cast them faster and you are naturally more tanky becuz its a melee build you doing not to mention my weapon art did 5 times more damage than just hitting them with my weapon so nice troll saying ashes of war are useless 5/7 for effort

I'm 100% serious, it sounds like you guys don't know how to upgrade or pick the right weapon. My go to weapons are better than most ashes.

frost, bleed. Many boss weapons have awesome weapon arts. Its not just about damage either. many things are situational. Sounds like you just spam r1.