Why not title this dark souls 4

[Demon]

Ive been playing and loving it since it came out. But the amount of stuff taken from other souls games seem crazy for a new game. How many of you have googled your fav weapon/armour from the series and just used that?

[Panic Fire]

Dark Souls was originally going to be just a series of Dark Fantasy games with no overt ties between each other. Halfway through darksouls 2 development the head developer was let go/quit and they shoe horned in direct lore connecting the two games after the fact. Dark Souls 3 also was a continuation of that lore. So the idea that the Dark Souls games are just dark fantasy games was gone and they are now a series of games with overlapping Lore and mythos.

Since From wanted a story line for the game they decided to not name it Dark Souls 4 because it would leave people confused on how this worlds lore ties into the Dark Souls worlds. They are however completely separate worlds so the name change allows people to look at and learn about this games lore freely with out thinking about Dark Souls.

TLDR Basically dark souls has a lot of lore baggage and they wanted a fresh start on a new world and lore with this game so named it differently.

[MILK.ME.DADDY]

Originally posted by Demon:

Ive been playing and loving it since it came out. But the amount of stuff taken from other souls games seem crazy for a new game. How many of you have googled your fav weapon/armour from the series and just used that?

because its not dark souls 4

[Sabi]

Potentialy we have a window for Elden Ring 2 somewhere in future

[Rambit]

Originally posted by Panic Fire:

Dark Souls was originally going to be just a series of Dark Fantasy games with no overt ties between each other. Halfway through darksouls 2 development the head developer was let go/quit and they shoe horned in direct lore connecting the two games after the fact. Dark Souls 3 also was a continuation of that lore. So the idea that the Dark Souls games are just dark fantasy games was gone and they are now a series of games with overlapping Lore and mythos.

Since From wanted a story line for the game they decided to not name it Dark Souls 4 because it would leave people confused on how this worlds lore ties into the Dark Souls worlds. They are however completely separate worlds so the name change allows people to look at and learn about this games lore freely with out thinking about Dark Souls.

TLDR Basically dark souls has a lot of lore baggage and they wanted a fresh start on a new world and lore with this game so named it differently.

i found something while playing elden ring that tied back to dark souls

[nwad]

They changed the formula by making it an open world game. I think that warrants a name change.

[SuspectedCrab]

Just because the game uses the same successful formula of a previous iteration, doesn't mean it should be in the same series. You can make plenty of games with different stories with this formula. Have you only played Dark Souls?

[Noma]

Originally posted by nwad:

They changed the formula by making it an open world game. I think that warrants a name change.

Go say that to Game Freak...
I agree with you, but I wonder if they ever going to go back to a more "linear" level design. Not that I dislike this one, on the contrary.

[KingKangIV]

Originally posted by Panic Fire:

Dark Souls was originally going to be just a series of Dark Fantasy games with no overt ties between each other. Halfway through darksouls 2 development the head developer was let go/quit and they shoe horned in direct lore connecting the two games after the fact. Dark Souls 3 also was a continuation of that lore. So the idea that the Dark Souls games are just dark fantasy games was gone and they are now a series of games with overlapping Lore and mythos.

Since From wanted a story line for the game they decided to not name it Dark Souls 4 because it would leave people confused on how this worlds lore ties into the Dark Souls worlds. They are however completely separate worlds so the name change allows people to look at and learn about this games lore freely with out thinking about Dark Souls.

TLDR Basically dark souls has a lot of lore baggage and they wanted a fresh start on a new world and lore with this game so named it differently.

The director of darksouls has stated he planned for three installments when imagining the story and design of darksouls.

[Father.Gwyn]

leaving a window for many feature games now we will get dark souls 4 / bloodborne 2 / demon's souls 2 / elden ring 2
time for joy! mate

[Andrew. (the weeblord)]

An entity is a sum of its parts. If you inspect everything on a microscopic level, you can argue that everything is the same. Cherry picking examples doesn't help arguments

[J0ust]

Originally posted by A Son of a Shepard:

Originally posted by Demon:

Ive been playing and loving it since it came out. But the amount of stuff taken from other souls games seem crazy for a new game. How many of you have googled your fav weapon/armour from the series and just used that?

because its not dark souls 4

It kinda is though, in all but name. Leaving aside the obviously lifted gameplay elements like the engine, the UI, the SFX, the models and animations, the weapons and movesets, the mechanics, the story elements are all pretty much the same with a name change.

Tarnished =/= Chosen Undead
Elden Lords =/= Lords of Cinder
Runes =/= Souls
Grace =/= Bonfires

Don't get me wrong, this is the best game I've played in years. But let's not pretend it isn't basically Dark Souls 4. From/Miyazaki definitely have a preference for certain themes and they re use them again and again. Elden Ring is great, but thematically it's entirely a From game, which is to say it's derivative of what they've done before. Which I am absolutely fine with, btw.

[Luciform]

you mean demons souls 6?

[DeadlyFred]

I have to admit I was expecting more of a new "thing" with George RR Martin being included and all but it really just seems like a new chapter within the same Dark Souls Cinematic Universe. Which is fine by me just not what I was anticipating.

[Krivvin]

Originally posted by Demon:

Ive been playing and loving it since it came out. But the amount of stuff taken from other souls games seem crazy for a new game. How many of you have googled your fav weapon/armour from the series and just used that?

It's more than just Dark Souls 4. It's like the realization of everything that has been in the works since the very beginning with Demon's Souls. Just look at the concept art. I've seen places that are dead up actual realization of concept art.

[Ronin]

Originally posted by J0ust:

Originally posted by A Son of a Shepard:

because its not dark souls 4

It kinda is though, in all but name. Leaving aside the obviously lifted gameplay elements like the engine, the UI, the SFX, the models and animations, the weapons and movesets, the mechanics, the story elements are all pretty much the same with a name change.

Tarnished =/= Chosen Undead
Elden Lords =/= Lords of Cinder
Runes =/= Souls
Grace =/= Bonfires

Don't get me wrong, this is the best game I've played in years. But let's not pretend it isn't basically Dark Souls 4. From/Miyazaki definitely have a preference for certain themes and they re use them again and again. Elden Ring is great, but thematically it's entirely a From game, which is to say it's derivative of what they've done before. Which I am absolutely fine with, btw.

I'm not even a long running DS fan but I would have assumed most people looking into this game would have assumed it's basically going to be "open world dark souls". I think the old saying "If it's not broke don't fix it" applies here, they have a fantastic set of game mechanics and had like 5 games now to put them to use and take the best (ideally) out of them and combine all they've learned and achieved into this new product - Elden Ring.