How Do I Fight This Build?

[Wacky (LucentLogan)]

Dual seppuku cross-naginatas with bull-goat armor is probably the most frustrating type of build to fight. Bonus points if they switch one of the seppuku's into bloodhound's step.

There's just so much pressure that this build can force onto someone else that it gives the opponent no opportunity to do anything. Rolling the l1's will still build bleed, trying to retaliate and hit them will not work because they'll either poise tank it or bloodhound's step, dual cross-naginata's do a extremely high amount of damage.

I literally have no clue what is the best way of fighting this build.

[Kashra Fall]

Golden parry? Dunno if it works, but it would definitely be a counter to a longer range poke off.

[Deadeye64]

Either outrange them, or get ready for the longest most frustrating parrying practice of your life (with varying latency yay).

[Wacky (LucentLogan)]

Originally posted by Kashra Fall:

Golden parry? Dunno if it works, but it would definitely be a counter to a longer range poke off.

The problem with parrying is that it's going to be extremely risky against a dual cross-naginata. If you miss this parry you are going to take a lot of damage and possibly be bled. Even if the bleed meter doesn't proc, it's going to still be a lot, and it's going to give them a lot of pressure to work off of. One failed parry can basically mean death.

[Dreams of Fury]

Whats your build baseline, maybe I can throw something together, I honestly have minimal suggestions right this moment due to never encounter that setup myself but more than willing to throw it together and experiment and offer suggestions towards its weaknesses from my point of view.

[Kashra Fall]

Originally posted by Wacky (LucentLogan):

Originally posted by Kashra Fall:

Golden parry? Dunno if it works, but it would definitely be a counter to a longer range poke off.

The problem with parrying is that it's going to be extremely risky against a dual cross-naginata. If you miss this parry you are going to take a lot of damage and possibly be bled. Even if the bleed meter doesn't proc, it's going to still be a lot, and it's going to give them a lot of pressure to work off of. One failed parry can basically mean death.

Tis the risk of parries as a whole I'm afraid. Golden parry works a bit different though, seems to have a wider window/work for a longer distance.

[Wacky (LucentLogan)]

Originally posted by Kashra Fall:

Originally posted by Wacky (LucentLogan):

The problem with parrying is that it's going to be extremely risky against a dual cross-naginata. If you miss this parry you are going to take a lot of damage and possibly be bled. Even if the bleed meter doesn't proc, it's going to still be a lot, and it's going to give them a lot of pressure to work off of. One failed parry can basically mean death.

Tis the risk of parries as a whole I'm afraid. Golden parry works a bit different though, seems to have a wider window/work for a longer distance.

right, so I don't consider parrying a consistent and reliable option. If it's true that golden parry does have a higher parry window, now THAT could be interesting. If someone experiments and finds it to be true then it might not be the worst idea. The longer distance, on the other hand is not going to be effective against cross-naginatas since they are spears.

[Wacky (LucentLogan)]

Yeah this just might be the best build in the game.

[Panic Fire]

Originally posted by Wacky (LucentLogan):

Originally posted by Kashra Fall:

Tis the risk of parries as a whole I'm afraid. Golden parry works a bit different though, seems to have a wider window/work for a longer distance.

right, so I don't consider parrying a consistent and reliable option. If it's true that golden parry does have a higher parry window, now THAT could be interesting. If someone experiments and finds it to be true then it might not be the worst idea. The longer distance, on the other hand is not going to be effective against cross-naginatas since they are spears.

Um the parry distance on golden parry outranges spears.

[Onni]

Originally posted by Wacky (LucentLogan):

Originally posted by Kashra Fall:

Tis the risk of parries as a whole I'm afraid. Golden parry works a bit different though, seems to have a wider window/work for a longer distance.

right, so I don't consider parrying a consistent and reliable option. If it's true that golden parry does have a higher parry window, now THAT could be interesting. If someone experiments and finds it to be true then it might not be the worst idea. The longer distance, on the other hand is not going to be effective against cross-naginatas since they are spears.

It's reliable if you're good at them.

[Wacky (LucentLogan)]

Originally posted by Panic Fire:

Originally posted by Wacky (LucentLogan):

right, so I don't consider parrying a consistent and reliable option. If it's true that golden parry does have a higher parry window, now THAT could be interesting. If someone experiments and finds it to be true then it might not be the worst idea. The longer distance, on the other hand is not going to be effective against cross-naginatas since they are spears.

Um the parry distance on golden parry outranges spears.

okay so even if it does outrange spears we still run into the same problem though. They are a poise monster walking you down and are going to close the distance.

[Wacky (LucentLogan)]

Originally posted by Onnisaurus:

Originally posted by Wacky (LucentLogan):

right, so I don't consider parrying a consistent and reliable option. If it's true that golden parry does have a higher parry window, now THAT could be interesting. If someone experiments and finds it to be true then it might not be the worst idea. The longer distance, on the other hand is not going to be effective against cross-naginatas since they are spears.

It's reliable if you're good at them.

against terrible, predictable players? Sure.

[Dreams of Fury]

Originally posted by Wacky (LucentLogan):

Originally posted by Panic Fire:

Um the parry distance on golden parry outranges spears.

okay so even if it does outrange spears we still run into the same problem though. They are a poise monster walking you down and are going to close the distance.

Thus why they suggested parry, I didnt right away due to latency being an issue along with some people....myself included....are terrible and landing parrys...

[Onni]

Originally posted by Wacky (LucentLogan):

Originally posted by Onnisaurus:

It's reliable if you're good at them.

against terrible, predictable players? Sure.

Literally just use a small shield and wait for the start of the animation. Small shields parry is so fast it's just reaction speed.

[Wacky (LucentLogan)]

Originally posted by Onnisaurus:

Originally posted by Wacky (LucentLogan):

against terrible, predictable players? Sure.

Literally just use a small shield and wait for the start of the animation. Small shields parry is so fast it's just reaction speed.

okay parry god. I'd love to see you reaction parrying dual cross-naginatas on video, in a duel, consistently.