Let's remember that Sonic Robo Blast 2 exists

[Ikagura]

and is still one of the best (if not the best) Sonic fangame out there.

I even dare saying that this is the literal best 3D Sonic game in existence.

[Sixtyfivekills]

Sonic P-06 even in demo state

I win thank you very much, where's my reward?

[Ikagura]

Originally posted by Sixtyfivekills:

Sonic P-06 even in demo state

Sonic P-06 would win much more by not trying to be like 2006.

A SA2 mod or even a Generations one would be better.

PS: in fact Project Unleashed is literally the best Modern Sonic game in existence

[Sixtyfivekills]

Originally posted by Ikagura:

PS: in fact Project Unleashed is literally the best Modern Sonic game in existence

That's not a fact, that's an opinion.

[Arthur Morrigan]

Let's remember that this game won't look or play as well as Sonic Utopia.

[Duckilous]

Originally posted by Ikagura:

Originally posted by Sixtyfivekills:

Sonic P-06 even in demo state

Sonic P-06 would win much more by not trying to be like 2006.

The point of a remake is to be like the original, sometimes with improvements too.

[Arthur Morrigan]

Originally posted by Duckilous:

The point of a remake is to be like the original, sometimes with improvements too.

The point is to polish a turd.

[Duckilous]

Originally posted by FFXIV Login Queue:

Originally posted by Duckilous:

The point of a remake is to be like the original, sometimes with improvements too.

The point is to polish a turd.

Or rather turn it into a functioning decent game.
Seriously, anyone who actually played the fan remake can vouch for that as P-06 aims to fix and improve a lot of things of what's wrong with the original buggy game that was rushed by Sega executives for a Christmas release.
Maybe not for the story but the gameplay and overall experience should be and is miles better.

[Arthur Morrigan]

Originally posted by Duckilous:

Maybe not for the story but the gameplay and overall experience should be and is miles better.

So it's like they're polishing a turd.

What if they dedicated this much time and effort to something new and original instead of trying to freelance salvage a mistake?

[Duckilous]

Originally posted by FFXIV Login Queue:

Originally posted by Duckilous:

Maybe not for the story but the gameplay and overall experience should be and is miles better.

So it's like they're polishing a turd.

What if they dedicated this much time and effort to something new and original instead of trying to freelance salvage a mistake?

Hey, if developers wanted to spend their time and effort fixing other people's "mistakes" then more power to them.
I rather see and have games be fixed than left broken like that Saints Row 2 PC port.

But like I said, the game is only a "mistake" due to executive meddling.
06 would've been a fine game if Sega delayed the game instead of rushing the developers to have the game done by the end of its release year.
Time is important in game development and said extra time could've been used to fix bugs and glitches in this game and possibly improve the gameplay overall.

Originally posted by FFXIV Login Queue:

Let's remember that this game won't look or play as well as Sonic Utopia.

If we're going to undermine other fan projects then let's also remember how the developer of Sonic Utopia, Lange, attempted a coup d'etat of the Sonic Fan Games HQ Discord server and removed every channel that contained invaluable information and history.
Don't expect that game to be on Sonic Amateur Games Expo again after what he did to the community but hey, if you want to continue supporting an awful malicious developer then you do you.

[JAGIELSKI]

Also, Sonic Utopia.

[Arthur Morrigan]

Originally posted by Duckilous:

Hey, if developers wanted to spend their time and effort fixing other people's "mistakes" then more power to them.
I rather see and have games be fixed than left broken like that Saints Row 2 PC port.

I feel like there's a difference between remaking an awful game from the ground up to be slightly less bad, and fixing a port of a game that people actually like.

But like I said, the game is only a "mistake" due to executive meddling.

Who cares? It doesn't matter why it's so bad, the point is that it is.

If we're going to undermine other fan projects then let's also remember how the developer of Sonic Utopia, Lange, attempted a coup d'etat of the Sonic Fan Games HQ Discord server and removed every channel that contained invaluable information and history.

That isn't shocking, the guy always came off like a massive ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. The game will still look and play better than Frontiers.

but hey, if you want to continue supporting an awful malicious developer then you do you.

He says, on the message board for a game being put out by a corporation that's in bed with the Yakuza.

[Duckilous]

Originally posted by FFXIV Login Queue:

Originally posted by Duckilous:

Hey, if developers wanted to spend their time and effort fixing other people's "mistakes" then more power to them.

remaking an awful game from the ground up to be slightly less bad

Eh, with how much people praised P-06 for drastically improving upon the original game and acted like it's a better remaster than the official remaster of Sonic Colours, I feel like that's an understatement and I don't think it's fair to give such an assessment when you haven't even tried the remake yourself, because I doubt you have.

But like I said, the game is only a "mistake" due to executive meddling.

Who cares? It doesn't matter why it's so bad, the point is that it is.

It really does matter because for something to be bad, there has to be reasons for why it is bad and what even caused it to be bad in the first place.
If we disregard these reasons then there's no point in even hating it.
Your opinion will have no weight if you just blindly hating it for the sake of it.

There are certainly reasons for what makes 06 bad as a released product but it helps to understand why the game ended up as what you call a mistake because I highly doubt Sonic Team back then wanted their next big Sonic game for next-gen consoles at the time to be an unfinished disastrous mess.

The game will still look and play better than Frontiers.

I feel like that's rather subjective, preferring the cartoony aesthetic of Utopia over what Frontiers is going with.
Maybe for gameplay too but for now, we don't really know much about how Frontier actually plays aside that we know it's open world.

but hey, if you want to continue supporting an awful malicious developer then you do you.

He says, on the message board for a game being put out by a corporation that's in bed with the Yakuza.

Well excuse me for not knowing that, if that's even true at all and how much they're actually involved with the yakuza's business.

[Sixtyfivekills]

Originally posted by FFXIV Login Queue:

Originally posted by Duckilous:

Maybe not for the story but the gameplay and overall experience should be and is miles better.

So it's like they're polishing a turd.

What if they dedicated this much time and effort to something new and original instead of trying to freelance salvage a mistake?

It's called Project 06, why the hell would they make it be something it isn't?

Also funny how that "polished turd" is miles better than every Colors era game.

[Arthur Morrigan]

Originally posted by Duckilous:

Eh, with how much people praised P-06 for drastically improving upon the original game and acted like it's a better remaster than the official remaster of Sonic Colours, I feel like that's an understatement and I don't think it's fair to give such an assessment when you haven't even tried the remake yourself, because I doubt you have.

Being a better remaster than the one Colors got, isn't saying much. At the very least they made an effort to lesson how bad it feels to play, something Colors desperately needs. I have tried the remake though, and it is a slightly less bad version of a still bad game.

It really does matter because for something to be bad, there has to be reasons for why it is bad and what even caused it to be bad in the first place.
If we disregard these reasons then there's no point in even hating it.

I'm pretty sure there's still a point in hating it even if you disregard what happened in development that made it bad.

Your opinion will have no weight if you just blindly hating it for the sake of it.

I like how you've suddenly shifted this from specifically caring about why the game is bad from a behind the scenes sense, to being about why it's bad in a general sense. It doesn't matter from the perspective of a consumer what happened during the game's development that resulted in it being a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ mess, what matters is that they made a game that's a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ mess.

There are certainly reasons for what makes 06 bad as a released product but it helps to understand why the game ended up as what you call a mistake

How would it help a consumer in any way to understand in what ways SEGA ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up that resulted in them being sold a $60 game that barely functions? There's nothing for them to do with that information.

I highly doubt Sonic Team back then wanted their next big Sonic game for next-gen consoles at the time to be an unfinished disastrous mess.

I mean at this point in time they already had multiple unfinished disastrous messes under their belt anyway, so who can say.

I feel like that's rather subjective, preferring the cartoony aesthetic of Utopia over what Frontiers is going with.

No ♥♥♥♥ it's subjective. I just prefer Sonic games that look like Sonic games, instead of Frontiers' near complete lack of any compelling or recognizable art style.

[Arthur Morrigan]

Originally posted by Sixtyfivekills:

It's called Project 06, why the hell would they make it be something it isn't?

I don't know how you arrived at the conclusion that I want them to make a Sonic '06 remaster into something different, and not that I would rather see that time and effort spent on just making something different, unrelated to Sonic 06 in the first place.

Also funny how that "polished turd" is miles better than every Colors era game.

How is that funny?