Why is Sonic pandering to weeaboos now?

[Human Required]

It's so strange. For the past decade, Sonic's action style has been pretty western in terms of aesthetics (think Marvel movie combat), but now with Frontiers, especially Update 3, he's doing a bunch of ridiculous anime stuff. Stupid poses, hand gestures, all the "stylish" parry nonsense, whatever that Cyber Sonic moon nonsense was in terms of its visual execution, etc.

Is Kishimoto a giant anime junkie who realized a good portion of western fans are weebs and finally got Sonic Team's approval to crank the cringe up to 11? Is this his reward for finally facilitating a "successful" 3D Sonic game?

[Lolkitre123]

I was expecting action or something more cinematic, not this super sonic 2 and jojo styled poses, i dont know, it was anti climatic seeing sonic do that poses and things like that, even my friend who doesn't know too much about him said "tf with sonic?", its kinda strange look at him doing poses and acting like an anime character

[Mez Koo]

Frontiers was Neon Genesis Evangelion from the start how did you miss all the anime poses and moves from the base game and Sage is Rei from that anime.

Also Sonic has kind of always been a shonen.

[Human Required]

Originally posted by Lolkitre123:

I was expecting action or something more cinematic, not this super sonic 2 and jojo styled poses, i dont know, it was anti climatic seeing sonic do that poses and things like that, even my friend who doesn't know too much about him said "tf with sonic?", its kinda strange look at him doing poses and acting like an anime character

Yeah. And the ludonarrative dissonance of the whole finale was wild. Like, in cutscenes, Sonic snapping his fingers and doing goofy "I'm invincible" nonchalant anime poses against a boss that can actively reduce his ring cap as Super Sonic. He's acting like a living "too cool 4 school" Sephiroth/FF anime trope against the one boss who actually seems to pose a threat to him. It's just sooooo weeb.

[Human Required]

Originally posted by Mez Koo:

Frontiers was Neon Genesis Evangelion from the start how did you miss all the anime poses and moves from the base game and Sage is Rei from that anime.

Also Sonic has kind of always been a shonen.

That's my point; why is the weeb-ometer up to 11 for Frontiers? What randomly changed behind the scenes at Sonic Team wherein they abandoned dignity? I get that the Super Sonic gimmick itself is a DBZ thing but beyond that, Sonic's been pretty un-weeby for the past decade. This game's off the rails

I see you a lot on the forums and get that you dig the game, I just don't understand the appeal of a *lot* of Frontiers' and Update 3's decisions

[GrimAtrament]

Sonic was always anime inspired talk about ignorant. it's almost like this game was made in japan or something.

also tells me you've not seen a lot of anime.

Sonic 1-3 is all literally full of DBZ refrences.

knuckles is based off piccolo tails is based off krilin.

eggman is literally inspired by the red ribbon army.

chaos is inspired by Cell hence "perfect chaos."

shadow is kinda obvious what he's based off of.

but wait there is more.

sonic adventure 2 also has a bunch of akira references including the giant elevators.

you descend down to free shadow form a secret military base.

sonic rider takes obvious eurika 7 inspirations not to mention air gear with the shoes.

[Human Required]

Originally posted by GrimAtrament:

Sonic was always anime inspired talk about ignorant. it's almost like this game was made in japan or something.

also tells me you've not seen a lot of anime.

Sonic 1-3 is all literally full of DBZ refrences.

knuckles is based off piccolo tails is based off krilin.

eggman is literally inspired by the red ribbon army.

chaos is inspired by Cell hence "perfect chaos."

shadow is kinda obvious what he's based off of.

Anime is for losers, obviously I don't watch that trash

[GrimAtrament]

Originally posted by Human Required:

Originally posted by GrimAtrament:

Sonic was always anime inspired talk about ignorant. it's almost like this game was made in japan or something.

also tells me you've not seen a lot of anime.

Sonic 1-3 is all literally full of DBZ refrences.

knuckles is based off piccolo tails is based off krilin.

eggman is literally inspired by the red ribbon army.

chaos is inspired by Cell hence "perfect chaos."

shadow is kinda obvious what he's based off of.

Anime is for losers, obviously I don't watch that trash

sure mr has Catherine Classic and Yakuza 0 in their profile.

[Human Required]

Originally posted by GrimAtrament:

Originally posted by Human Required:

Anime is for losers, obviously I don't watch that trash

sure mr has Catherine Classic in their profile.

Catherine transcends anime by being about normal people with real character dynamics

None of this super saiyan stupid poses random shouting giant explosion sky laser cringe bait

[GrimAtrament]

Originally posted by Human Required:

Originally posted by GrimAtrament:

sure mr has Catherine Classic in their profile.

Catherine transcends anime by being about normal people with real character dynamics

None of this super saiyan stupid poses random shouting giant explosion sky laser cringe bait

again tells me you know little about anime.

you're literally talking about 1 subset genre of anime which is battle shonen

Catherine is very much anime. based on more drama Romance series.

it is still an anime video game there for you like anime.

[Human Required]

Originally posted by GrimAtrament:

Originally posted by Human Required:

Catherine transcends anime by being about normal people with real character dynamics

None of this super saiyan stupid poses random shouting giant explosion sky laser cringe bait

again tells me you know little about anime.

you're literally talking about 1 subset of anime which is battle shonen

Catherine is very much anime. based on more drama Romance series.

it is still an anime video game there for you like anime.

Gimme a reference for more anime that isn't cringe and isn't absolute bottom-basement melodrama romance (like most anime I've had the unfortunate experience of encountering)

If there is more tasteful anime out there, like Catherine with its rare subset of interesting Japanese-isms (read: sexist, bigoted and transphobic by western standards), gimme recommendations chief

[Applegreen92]

Colors has several references to Kamen Rider W and Fourze.
The japanese Wisp announcer is the announcer from W
and the wisps themselves share the same powers as Fourze, down to the color scheme.
The Final boss is a Kamen Rider style climax as well with all the powers being combined.

Black Knight's final boss is a reference to Garo, a Toku series that exists to this day.

Frontiers features both references to Kaiju, which is still Tokusatsu, and Evangelion.

All of the Adventure Era is inspired by Shonen anime and Super Sonic, Knuckles and several other characters are clear Dragonball influences.
Also Knuckles LITERALLY goes Oraoraora in SA2 as well as the entire point of Tails' mecha phase in that era of Sonic.

Also I seriously hope you don't call Secret Rings "western".

This series was never meant to feed your confirmation bias.
It's a japanese series made by people who are deeply influenced by japanese media.

[GrimAtrament]

Originally posted by Human Required:

Originally posted by GrimAtrament:

again tells me you know little about anime.

you're literally talking about 1 subset of anime which is battle shonen

Catherine is very much anime. based on more drama Romance series.

it is still an anime video game there for you like anime.

Gimme a reference for more anime that isn't cringe and isn't absolute bottom-basement melodrama romance (like most anime I've had the unfortunate experience of encountering)

If there is more tasteful anime out there, like Catherine with its rare subset of interesting Japanese-isms (read: sexist, bigoted and transphobic by western standards), gimme recommendations chief

ghost in the shell stand alone complex, serial experiment lain, black lagoon, cowboy bepbop(not the live action that sucked.) Turn A gundam, planetes, From the New World, Parasyte -the maxim-, Steins;Gate, kino's journey, Hell Girl, Kaiji, you lie in april, to your eternity, Akira.
anime isn't a specific term. It literally means. animation you can find as many good anime as ones you don't like

[Lolkitre123]

Originally posted by GrimAtrament:

Sonic was always anime inspired talk about ignorant. it's almost like this game was made in japan or something.

also tells me you've not seen a lot of anime.

Sonic 1-3 is all literally full of DBZ refrences.

knuckles is based off piccolo tails is based off krilin.

eggman is literally inspired by the red ribbon army.

chaos is inspired by Cell hence "perfect chaos."

shadow is kinda obvious what he's based off of.

but wait there is more.

sonic adventure 2 also has a bunch of akira references including the giant elevators.

you descend down to free shadow form a secret military base.

sonic rider takes obvious eurika 7 inspirations not to mention air gear with the shoes.

All good with you but that what actually are showing, They all had their own story and protagonism, but for some reason they turned the wrong way with the time and turned into some mix of anime and cringy things, even the new serie sonic prime is too cringe.
I don't think I have to mention that the super sonic concept existed before Dragon ball was even released

[GrimAtrament]

Originally posted by Lolkitre123:

Originally posted by GrimAtrament:

Sonic was always anime inspired talk about ignorant. it's almost like this game was made in japan or something.

also tells me you've not seen a lot of anime.

Sonic 1-3 is all literally full of DBZ refrences.

knuckles is based off piccolo tails is based off krilin.

eggman is literally inspired by the red ribbon army.

chaos is inspired by Cell hence "perfect chaos."

shadow is kinda obvious what he's based off of.

but wait there is more.

sonic adventure 2 also has a bunch of akira references including the giant elevators.

you descend down to free shadow form a secret military base.

sonic rider takes obvious eurika 7 inspirations not to mention air gear with the shoes.

All good with you but that what actually are showing, They all had their own story and protagonism, but for some reason they turned the wrong way with the time and turned into some mix of anime and cringy things, even the new serie sonic prime is too cringe

sonics always been anime, that's a fact as many have already stated

shadows entire drive for revenge to destroy earth is very much the kinds of stories you could find in anime. all anime have their own stories too so not sure what you mean by "they all had their own story."
as for the end boss it's taking from different sonic media.
for example
super sonics parry animation for the final boss is actually taking from a pannel in IDW comics. sonic also had fleet way eyes near the end of the fight.
and frointier is leagues better than color's gens, and forces "comedic." story telling we've had to endure.

also sega themselves confirmed super sonic was based off super sayan also the DBZ manga existed even longer than supersonic concept. Who you tryin to fool?

"Super Sonic debuted in Sonic 2, which was released in Novemer 1992"

"the manga chapter Super Saiyan debuted in, was released in March 1991."

[AniGa]

Yeeeah, Sonic never did over-the-top poses at all, especially not far, faaar more ridiculous ones based on rad 2000s skateboarding tricks where he contorted into all manners of over-the-top 2 kool 4 skool poses. That's really just not Sonic at all.