SUPER SONIC 2!!!

[PwnyHipster]

SUPER SONIC 2!!!

[Bluetomahawk222]

Originally posted by Lone Strider:

Originally posted by HyperManBX:

Hey, crazy idea, what if we call him Hyper Sonic?

It's weird because iirc Ian Flynn said he wanted to use Hyper Sonic in Sonic Frontiers, but got turned down by Sonic Team, because they wanted to avoid the "next tier power up trope".

Edit 1 (fixed original comment, and found the post talking about it) : He apparently said it on February 20, 2023 on something called Bumblekast. He stated it was also the reason hyper forms haven't been ackownledged since post-Sonic 3 & Knuckles.

What is the point of super if you can just go hyper?

I like the idea that its Super Sonic with an infusion of Cyber energy - That sort of biz opens up a whole new level of the rabbit hole.

[GlaceonChireiden]

Originally posted by Bluetomahawk222:

Originally posted by Lone Strider:

It's weird because iirc Ian Flynn said he wanted to use Hyper Sonic in Sonic Frontiers, but got turned down by Sonic Team, because they wanted to avoid the "next tier power up trope".

Edit 1 (fixed original comment, and found the post talking about it) : He apparently said it on February 20, 2023 on something called Bumblekast. He stated it was also the reason hyper forms haven't been ackownledged since post-Sonic 3 & Knuckles.

What is the point of super if you can just go hyper?

I like the idea that its Super Sonic with an infusion of Cyber energy - That sort of biz opens up a whole new level of the rabbit hole.

Hyper is supposed to be limited by the fact it requires the super emeralds to do. The super emeralds that are on angel island, and need to be "awakened" there as well.

When Sonic & co get the chaos emeralds in every game, it's usually in the nick of time. They don't really have time to grab the emeralds, run to angel island, perform the ritual, transform, then fight off whatever it is. Hyper sonic is also a very local form, considering sonic activates it while he's still on angel island (or close to it, anyways). He can't just bring the super emeralds with him, so if the big bad is all the way across the world then they're just sh*t out of luck.

Basically, hyper isn't as simple as "go super then go hyper lol", Hyper is a very specific form that requires very specific circumstances for Sonic to pull off (much like his other super forms, like Darkspine or Excalibur)

[Sixtyfivekills]

Originally posted by Duckilous:

These CG cutscenes look great but how about we have Sonic games that could look just as amazing as CG?

"No mone" - Sonic Team

[Duckilous]

Originally posted by Sixtyfivekills:

Originally posted by Duckilous:

These CG cutscenes look great but how about we have Sonic games that could look just as amazing as CG?

"No mone" - Sonic Team

I figured having a low budget is the main reason why the graphics don't look spectacularly as great as other AAA games... if Sonic Frontiers is supposed to be one.
Hopefully Sega changes their mind with how successful the game is.

[GlaceonChireiden]

Originally posted by Duckilous:

Originally posted by Sixtyfivekills:

"No mone" - Sonic Team

I figured having a low budget is the main reason why the graphics don't look spectacularly as great as other AAA games... if Sonic Frontiers is supposed to be one.
Hopefully Sega changes their mind with how successful the game is.

Good news! We already have confirmation that Frontiers' success has actually won Sonic Team a bigger budget for the next game.

https://www.dualshockers.com/sonic-frontiers-sequel-bigger-budget-after-sales/

[Sixtyfivekills]

Originally posted by JustSomeLego:

Originally posted by Duckilous:

I figured having a low budget is the main reason why the graphics don't look spectacularly as great as other AAA games... if Sonic Frontiers is supposed to be one.
Hopefully Sega changes their mind with how successful the game is.

Good news! We already have confirmation that Frontiers' success has actually won Sonic Team a bigger budget for the next game.

https://www.dualshockers.com/sonic-frontiers-sequel-bigger-budget-after-sales/

Thank god.

Although I do wonder how much Frontiers was held back by Switch, I've seen some "leaked" footage of Super Sonic vs Giganto and level of detail seemed a lot bigger. It was like 5 seconds of footage so there wasn't much to analyze.

[GlaceonChireiden]

Originally posted by Sixtyfivekills:

Originally posted by JustSomeLego:

Good news! We already have confirmation that Frontiers' success has actually won Sonic Team a bigger budget for the next game.

https://www.dualshockers.com/sonic-frontiers-sequel-bigger-budget-after-sales/

Thank god.

Although I do wonder how much Frontiers was held back by Switch, I've seen some "leaked" footage of Super Sonic vs Giganto and level of detail seemed a lot bigger. It was like 5 seconds of footage so there wasn't much to analyze.

We'll probably never know. That leaked footage may not have been the intended graphics even, for all we know it was purposefully overblown before sonic Team realized just how big of a game frontiers would be and knew they couldn't keep that level of quality the entire production time.

Though it wouldn't surprise me either if the switch is the reason the game was toned back from that original preview. Stupid Nintendo with their barely ps3/360 era hardware holding everyone back like usual.

[Duckilous]

Originally posted by JustSomeLego:

Originally posted by Duckilous:

I figured having a low budget is the main reason why the graphics don't look spectacularly as great as other AAA games... if Sonic Frontiers is supposed to be one.
Hopefully Sega changes their mind with how successful the game is.

Good news! We already have confirmation that Frontiers' success has actually won Sonic Team a bigger budget for the next game.

https://www.dualshockers.com/sonic-frontiers-sequel-bigger-budget-after-sales/

That is great news.
I wonder how many people there are in Sonic Team though, because it would help the next game's development if there's more people working together to produce things efficiently.

Originally posted by JustSomeLego:

Though it wouldn't surprise me either if the switch is the reason the game was toned back from that original preview. Stupid Nintendo with their barely ps3/360 era hardware holding everyone back like usual.

Sega could just not bother like they did with the home console version of Sonic Generations. But I know they won't because they'd be missing out lots of sales from the many Switch fans.

They could make an alternative low-end version of the same game like they did to Unleashed.
But I know they won't because who even does that sort of thing in the modern gaming age?

[HyperManBX]

Originally posted by Duckilous:

...but I don't recall that these cyber powers or energy ever did something powerful like that in the game.

Isn't that what cyber-space is? Memories? And the portals, virtual yet somehow tactile prisons, and other effects it has on the real world, aren't they reality bending?

Originally posted by Duckilous:

Originally posted by HyperManBX:

I've seen plenty of people speculate on Hyper returning based on this trailer. We could be wrong, but I don't think it's impossible.

I don't know where you're getting these plenty of people from when really most of them on YouTube, Twitter and Reddit are calling it "Cyber Super Sonic" or even just "Super Sonic 2" (like Super Saiyan 2) much more often than "Hyper Sonic".

You can find whole videos on youtube about Hyper Sonic and why he should return and why this trailer may indicate that.

Not saying it is going to happen, but there is at least an argument to be made. Ian Flynn wants Hyper Sonic back in the series, with how well this game has done and how some other things he was evidently told "no" on were re-added in these 3 free updates, I wouldn't bet against him or Hyper returning, if not in this game, the next.

Originally posted by Bluetomahawk222:

What is the point of super if you can just go hyper?

What's the point of being level 1 if you can be level 2? You build up to it.

[Duckilous]

Originally posted by HyperManBX:

Originally posted by Duckilous:

...but I don't recall that these cyber powers or energy ever did something powerful like that in the game.

Isn't that what cyber-space is? Memories? And the portals, virtual yet somehow tactile prisons, and other effects it has on the real world, aren't they reality bending?

No? Cyber Space in the game is just a simulated virtual world based on memories.
It doesn't bend reality in the real world and The Starfall Islands is not Cyber Space.
Portals are simply just a way to access this digital realm, but there are also Cyber Cages that traps those to stay in Cyber Space. Removing one causes the residual energy that powered those cages to be absorbed into Sonic, although this doesn't fully restore the captive's physical form as if they haven't properly transferred back to the real world.

I mean this is why I don't think it make sense that Sonic's cyber corruption from the cages could turn him into Hyper Sonic. It's not something that is similar to how the Phantom Ruby (from Sonic Mania and Forces) works by having reality-warping powers except it could somehow replicate the extreme ultimate power of the elusive Super Emeralds.
Cyber Space is just a digital region like the trope itself[tvtropes.org] and the cyber energy that Sonic get from the cages is basically radiation.

I think you have a different interpretation on how Sonic Frontiers handles Cyber Space as if it leaks to and affects the real world or that The Starfall Islands are part of Cyber Space when it's actually the other way around - the islands just powers the technology.

Originally posted by HyperManBX:

Originally posted by Duckilous:

I don't know where you're getting these plenty of people from when really most of them on YouTube, Twitter and Reddit are calling it "Cyber Super Sonic" or even just "Super Sonic 2" (like Super Saiyan 2) much more often than "Hyper Sonic".

You can find whole videos on youtube about Hyper Sonic and why he should return and why this trailer may indicate that.

Were these videos made after the teaser?
Even so, that doesn't change how generally most people don't even think of Hyper Sonic when they reacted to the teaser based on what I'm seeing on social media.​

[HyperManBX]

Originally posted by Duckilous:

I think you have a different interpretation on how Sonic Frontiers handles Cyber Space as if it leaks to and affects the real world or that The Starfall Islands are part of Cyber Space when it's actually the other way around - the islands just powers the technology.

I guess so. Because to me portals to a cyber-realm (or any realm really) have always felt like bending reality. And manifesting solid objects (the cages) from energy (cyber-energy) definitely seems like bending reality to me. It also seems like making illusions (cyber-projections, or virtual realities), which Infinite did do with the Phantom Ruby. The End also references dialogue from Infinite, and all the cyber-stuff, The End's dark shots, and Infinite's Phantom Ruby stuff have the same red aura. That last one is superficial - I know, but it's not what I hinge my theory on.

Originally posted by Duckilous:

Even so, that doesn't change how generally most people don't even think of Hyper Sonic when they reacted to the teaser based on what I'm seeing on social media.​

Ok, "plenty" might be exaggerating, because I really don't know, it's not like I took a poll of all sonic youtubers, but my point was that more people than just me and that other commenter thought "Hyper Sonic".

[Ikagura]

Oh no, no thanks.

DBZ was trash with power scaling I hope we won't get Super Sonic 3 then 4 then Super Sonic God or whatever...

This is a reason why I prefer shonens that aren't nekketsu (or just seinens).

[DiamondBat Toons]

Originally posted by Lone Strider:

Originally posted by HyperManBX:

Hey, crazy idea, what if we call him Hyper Sonic?

It's weird because iirc Ian Flynn said he wanted to use Hyper Sonic in Sonic Frontiers, but got turned down by Sonic Team, because they wanted to avoid the "next tier power up trope".

Edit 1 (fixed original comment, and found the post talking about it) : He apparently said it on February 20, 2023 on something called Bumblekast. He stated it was also the reason hyper forms haven't been ackownledged since post-Sonic 3 & Knuckles.

Well that's lame! Literally nobody has a problem with the "next tier" trope besides them. I would've LOVED to see Hyper Sonic return in Frontiers! T_T

[Mez Koo]

Originally posted by DiamondBat04:

Well that's lame! Literally nobody has a problem with the "next tier" trope besides them.

There are no stakes when you can just magic up a new power level to over come something.

[Ikagura]

Originally posted by DiamondBat04:

Originally posted by Lone Strider:

It's weird because iirc Ian Flynn said he wanted to use Hyper Sonic in Sonic Frontiers, but got turned down by Sonic Team, because they wanted to avoid the "next tier power up trope".

Edit 1 (fixed original comment, and found the post talking about it) : He apparently said it on February 20, 2023 on something called Bumblekast. He stated it was also the reason hyper forms haven't been acknowledged since post-Sonic 3 & Knuckles.

Well that's lame! Literally nobody has a problem with the "next tier" trope besides them. I would've LOVED to see Hyper Sonic return in Frontiers! T_T

I do have one. Sonic has already ripped off DBZ enough.

The Super Emeralds in Sonic 3&K are non canon and were just a bonus for people that purchased both games and to give Tails a super form.

Originally posted by Mez Koo:

Originally posted by DiamondBat04:

Well that's lame! Literally nobody has a problem with the "next tier" trope besides them.

There are no stakes when you can just magic up a new power level to over come something.

This^

Even Dragon Ball already went a bit too overboard with SSJ3 since the whole purpose of SSJ is to make the user reach their limits.