Game is fun, story is garbage.

[Bernie Gores]

I understand this is a Sonic title, but that story was hot garbage. People praising Ian Flynn for this is laughable at best. The only thing cannon going forward would be Sage.

[lieutenantkirtar]

The story was alright just stretched way to thin over the game. But other than Sage it also added the mysterious origins of Chaos and the Chaos Emeralds that will hopefully be expanded on in future games.

[Edward H.B]

why garbage?

[Bernie Gores]

Originally posted by Edward H.B:

why garbage?

It's worth a playthrough, but the final boss was just stupid in my opinion and there was no real lead up to said boss making it feel trivial compared to the likes of other bosses in the past games. The Biolizard had less set up and was a far better contender then Frontiers boss.

[Edward H.B]

Originally posted by Bernie Gores:

Originally posted by Edward H.B:

why garbage?

It's worth a playthrough, but the final boss was just stupid in my opinion and there was no real lead up to said boss making it feel trivial compared to the likes of other bosses in the past games. The Biolizard had less set up and was a far better contender then Frontiers boss.

Fair point, I agree

[Mez Koo]

Originally posted by lieutenantkirtar:

But other than Sage it also added the mysterious origins of Chaos and the Chaos Emeralds that will hopefully be expanded on in future games.

To be fair the chaos emeralds being a universal power was kind of hinted at in Shadow's game although its still a twist despite the hindsight.

But are we to assume that "the ancients" were just limited to that region of the world despite all the other ancient stuff around for example it doesn't explain the other ancient ruins especially the gaia temples.

[NBOX21]

Originally posted by Bernie Gores:

Originally posted by Edward H.B:

why garbage?

It's worth a playthrough, but the final boss was just stupid in my opinion and there was no real lead up to said boss making it feel trivial compared to the likes of other bosses in the past games. The Biolizard had less set up and was a far better contender then Frontiers boss.

That's because the Biolizard actually had some amount of buildup, however small that may be. Several times, in the Dark story, mentions of "The Ultimate Life Form" are brought up, which hints to something that isn't really Shadow.

[Mez Koo]

Originally posted by Bernie Gores:

Originally posted by Edward H.B:

why garbage?

It's worth a playthrough, but the final boss was just stupid in my opinion and there was no real lead up to said boss making it feel trivial compared to the likes of other bosses in the past games. The Biolizard had less set up and was a far better contender then Frontiers boss.

There was plenty of lead up just no conclusion. Like you said there was no Biolizard/Finalhazard, Solaris, or Dark Gaia moment although clearly they could've with all the spectacle of the first 3 titans so I guess they just ran out of time.

[lieutenantkirtar]

Originally posted by Mez Koo:

Originally posted by lieutenantkirtar:

But other than Sage it also added the mysterious origins of Chaos and the Chaos Emeralds that will hopefully be expanded on in future games.

To be fair the chaos emeralds being a universal power was kind of hinted at in Shadow's game although its still a twist despite the hindsight.

But are we to assume that "the ancients" were just limited to that region of the world despite all the other ancient stuff around for example it doesn't explain the other ancient ruins especially the gaia temples.

There is a structure that looks like it used to house the Master Emerald, I would hazard a guess they are changing the lore a bit to remove echidnas from creating the one on Angel Island.

No idea if they would have any involvement in any other ancient civilizations.

[Mez Koo]

Originally posted by lieutenantkirtar:

Originally posted by Mez Koo:

To be fair the chaos emeralds being a universal power was kind of hinted at in Shadow's game although its still a twist despite the hindsight.
But are we to assume that "the ancients" were just limited to that region of the world despite all the other ancient stuff around for example it doesn't explain the other ancient ruins especially the gaia temples.

There is a structure that looks like it used to house the Master Emerald, I would hazard a guess they are changing the lore a bit to remove echidnas from creating the one on Angel Island.

No idea if they would have any involvement in any other ancient civilizations.

I don't think it was ever implied that they did construct it otherwise they'd probably already have been using its power but Knuckles does start to wonder if the Echidnas were influenced by those ancients and he even found a cyberspace portal around the Sky Sanctuary ruins.

[GrimAtrament]

it's a much better story than the drivel we've been given since colors.
if the final boss is literally the only thing, you can complain about. then the story wasn't bad.
the final enemy had a lot of builds up actually, it takes a lot of inspiration from shadow of the colossus. which barrows from a lot of old fables where a mysterious entity promises to grant a wish or save a loved one in exchange for a task it gives out. but turns out to be a demon at the end of the story.

The voice guiding sonic does much the same thing.

but the main thing was it wasn't conclusive since it's heavily implied to not be dead, given it's speech.
we at least set it back. this game feels like it's setting up for another game. in the same way mania felt like it was setting up for somthing.

Originally posted by lieutenantkirtar:

Originally posted by Mez Koo:

To be fair the chaos emeralds being a universal power was kind of hinted at in Shadow's game although its still a twist despite the hindsight.

But are we to assume that "the ancients" were just limited to that region of the world despite all the other ancient stuff around for example it doesn't explain the other ancient ruins
especially the gaia temples.

There is a structure that looks like it used to house the Master Emerald, I would hazard a guess they are changing the lore a bit to remove echidnas from creating the one on Angel Island.

No idea if they would have any involvement in any other ancient civilizations.

the echidna never made the chaos emeralds. if you are going by archie comics ken penders made all of that up because sega didn't pay much attention to what went on in the comics back then.

nothing in the lore previously implied the chaos emeralds were made. same with this game. even in sonic adventure it's implied they found the chaos emeralds with chaos and the chao originally and plotted to steal it from them.

[lieutenantkirtar]

I didn't mean they created the Chaos Emeralds I meant they created the structure that the Master Emerald is housed in.

I would argue Sonic Adventure implies the echidnas created the structures on Angel Island and were the original protectors of the emeralds. And this game might be retconning that a bit to add the ancients might have made the same structure on Angel Island and the echidnas found it and made their civilization around it.

[Mez Koo]

Originally posted by lieutenantkirtar:

I would argue Sonic Adventure implies the echidnas created the structures on Angel Island and were the original protectors of the emeralds.

The new warchief wanted their power and when they found the altar they met the chao and the master emerald already had a guardian.

[lieutenantkirtar]

The impression I had was that the echidnas had been protecting or worshiping the emeralds, but Tikal's father wanted to use their power as a weapon to fight wars. But I know the comics had a "Adventure" story arc when the game came out so I admit they might have more specific information about what was going on during the game.

[GrimAtrament]

Originally posted by Mez Koo:

Originally posted by lieutenantkirtar:

But other than Sage it also added the mysterious origins of Chaos and the Chaos Emeralds that will hopefully be expanded on in future games.

To be fair the chaos emeralds being a universal power was kind of hinted at in Shadow's game although its still a twist despite the hindsight.

But are we to assume that "the ancients" were just limited to that region of the world despite all the other ancient stuff around for example it doesn't explain the other ancient ruins especially the gaia temples.

currently trying to track down the chaos emeralds progression
so ancients had them first. i think they were involved with the gaia temples since that happened 10,000 years ago.
as for the Babylonians and black arms i think it's safe to assume they followed the ancients who probably found out their home planet blew up and sought to take advantage of it.
where the first chaos incident happened 3,000 years ago.

Originally posted by lieutenantkirtar:

The impression I had was that the echidnas had been protecting or worshiping the emeralds, but Tikal's father wanted to use their power as a weapon to fight wars. But I know the comics had a "Adventure" story arc when the game came out so I admit they might have more specific information about what was going on during the game.

the achie comic adventure storyline is non-canon.
IDW has yet to have any game-related story arc.
and if we are to assume that IDW is canon to the games due to tangle. it might not get game story arcs because Ian will likely be involved with future game stories. most the lore managers are from IDW as well.

[Mez Koo]

Originally posted by GrimAtrament:

Originally posted by Mez Koo:

To be fair the chaos emeralds being a universal power was kind of hinted at in Shadow's game although its still a twist despite the hindsight.

But are we to assume that "the ancients" were just limited to that region of the world despite all the other ancient stuff around for example it doesn't explain the other ancient ruins especially the gaia temples.

currently trying to track down the chaos emeralds progression
so ancients had them first. i think they were involved with the gaia temples since that happened 10,000 years ago.

That's true the gaia temples were specifically made to recharge the chaos emeralds in addition to their other function but that does bring into question how far ago the ancients in frontiers are supposed to be and to be honest I wouldn't be surprised if there were 7 planets with master emeralds and their own set of chaos emeralds which would explain why it pulled the ancient's set of emeralds.