Denuvo Frontiers

[Rings]

Why am I not surprised this has denuvo... *groans* time to hope it gets removed then wait for a sale...

[Minute-globe]

Originally posted by Aikido:

Originally posted by Rings:

Yep, you got it. Glad you understand now (~˘▾˘)~

Cool, cool.

Originally posted by Minuteworld94:

guys, don't ♥♥♥♥ with this aikido guy. he's a giant english major and will destroy all of your arguments by using the words "germane" and "vociferously"

More like "hypocrisy" and "selective outrage." But that's alright. "This person has a vocabulary" is a great rhetorical strategy I'm sure will yield results for you.

cool dude, I like razorfist too

[Minute-globe]

Originally posted by Denka:

Originally posted by Grand Captain Speedy Dash:

Though I'm starting to sound like a broken record, since it's already able to be pirated there is no longer any purpose for Denuvo.

There is no crack for the PC version of Sonic Frontiers at all yet. That is why all these post about Denuvo have popped up, people are crying they can't pirate it.

CLEARLY that's the only issue... it can't be because it's a server based drm or anything.... pfft...

[Rings]

Originally posted by Denka:

Originally posted by Grand Captain Speedy Dash:

Though I'm starting to sound like a broken record, since it's already able to be pirated there is no longer any purpose for Denuvo.

There is no crack for the PC version of Sonic Frontiers at all yet. That is why all these post about Denuvo have popped up, people are crying they can't pirate it.

And why are you here? To accuse people of wanting to pirate? Piracy accusations are against the steam terms of use, just so you know.

You're clearly exhibiting buyer's remorse and trying to lash out as a way of finding comfort and to justify your purchase. I pity you.

[♡♥♡Wei♡♥♡]

Originally posted by Denka:

Originally posted by Grand Captain Speedy Dash:

Though I'm starting to sound like a broken record, since it's already able to be pirated there is no longer any purpose for Denuvo.

There is no crack for the PC version of Sonic Frontiers at all yet. That is why all these post about Denuvo have popped up, people are crying they can't pirate it.

Unfortunately it doesn't just stop pirates, it creates performance issues and in some cases stops you from playing the game outright.
While it's good that Sonic Frontiers is yet to have a PC crack, it's at the cost of consumers having to brunt issues with Denuvo.

[NBOX21]

Originally posted by Aikido:

Originally posted by Rings:

And yes, they did gift me those games.

Ah. I see. So to recap, Denuvo bad, but you own Denuvo games, but they were gifted to you by friends, who may have gifted you the games without consulting you, but they definitely did consult with you at least enough to know your stance, and they gifted them to you despite knowing your stance purely because they were Sonic games, but also gifted you every other non-Sonic Denuvo game you own as well.

Okay, got it. We'll move on then, apologies for my misunderstanding. /s

Also, just because someone doesn't like Denuvo doesn't mean that they will flat out not play or buy anything with Denuvo in it. You can enjoy the game and even the PC port of the same game, while still acknowledging the fact that Denuvo is having some form of negative impact on the experience.

[Rings]

Originally posted by NBOX21:

Originally posted by Aikido:

Ah. I see. So to recap, Denuvo bad, but you own Denuvo games, but they were gifted to you by friends, who may have gifted you the games without consulting you, but they definitely did consult with you at least enough to know your stance, and they gifted them to you despite knowing your stance purely because they were Sonic games, but also gifted you every other non-Sonic Denuvo game you own as well.

Okay, got it. We'll move on then, apologies for my misunderstanding. /s

Also, just because someone doesn't like Denuvo doesn't mean that they will flat out not play or buy anything with Denuvo in it. You can enjoy the game and even the PC port of the same game, while still acknowledging the fact that Denuvo is having some form of negative impact on the experience.

Or you can buy denuvo games, encounter issues in the future, and then decide to never buy denuvo games again to save yourself future headaches. Just because someone owns denuvo games doesn't mean they aren't allowed to dislike it and refuse buying new games with it. That kind of logic is woefully flawed.

[♡♥♡Wei♡♥♡]

Originally posted by NBOX21:

Originally posted by Aikido:

Ah. I see. So to recap, Denuvo bad, but you own Denuvo games, but they were gifted to you by friends, who may have gifted you the games without consulting you, but they definitely did consult with you at least enough to know your stance, and they gifted them to you despite knowing your stance purely because they were Sonic games, but also gifted you every other non-Sonic Denuvo game you own as well.

Okay, got it. We'll move on then, apologies for my misunderstanding. /s

Also, just because someone doesn't like Denuvo doesn't mean that they will flat out not play or buy anything with Denuvo in it. You can enjoy the game and even the PC port of the same game, while still acknowledging the fact that Denuvo is having some form of negative impact on the experience.

Definitely agree, the saying "Throwing the baby out with the bathwater" comes to mind.
Though taking action against it is important, too!

[NBOX21]

Originally posted by Rings:

Originally posted by NBOX21:

Also, just because someone doesn't like Denuvo doesn't mean that they will flat out not play or buy anything with Denuvo in it. You can enjoy the game and even the PC port of the same game, while still acknowledging the fact that Denuvo is having some form of negative impact on the experience.

Or you can buy denuvo games, encounter issues in the future, and then decide to never buy denuvo games again to save yourself future headaches. Just because someone owns denuvo games doesn't mean they aren't allowed to dislike it and refuse buying new games with it. That kind of logic is woefully flawed.

This was not meant to be a defence towards Denuvo or games with Denuvo, just so we're clear. The opposite can also be true; just because people don't own games with Denuvo doesn't mean people aren't allowed to speak up against it, so long as your reasons are good.

[Rings]

Originally posted by NBOX21:

Originally posted by Rings:

Or you can buy denuvo games, encounter issues in the future, and then decide to never buy denuvo games again to save yourself future headaches. Just because someone owns denuvo games doesn't mean they aren't allowed to dislike it and refuse buying new games with it. That kind of logic is woefully flawed.

This was not meant to be a defence towards Denuvo or games with Denuvo, just so we're clear. The opposite can also be true; just because people don't own games with Denuvo doesn't mean people aren't allowed to speak up against it, so long as your reasons are good.

Completely in agreement with you. The games you own shouldn't be used against your stance. In fact, owning Denuvo games should enforce your stance as you have first-hand experience in the regard.

[Defective Dopamine Pez Dispenser]

As I've said many times, people are free to change their minds. And to do whatever they like. But if you're going to hold up Denuvo as a great anti-consumer evil, say you won't buy games because of its inclusion, but are then found to have owned multiple Denuvo containing games, and then instead of simply saying, "I changed my mind," or, "I made an exception because I love X game or it was on sale for Y," you protest stridently that every last one of them are gifts, you should expect a few raised eyebrows.

Again, to recap, the narrative being spun in this topic is: Denuvo is bad, but I own Denuvo games, oh but wait, I only own them because they were gifted to me, because they didn't consult me first and didn't know what my position was.... oh but wait they only did it because they know how much I love Sonic, and they actually did "definitely" know my position on Denuvo even though I just told you they might not have. Oh but wait they also gifted me these other non-Sonic Denuvo games. Because no matter what, I can't simply say "You know what? Screw it. I want my games, so I made an exception."

But yes, I'm being unreasonable for regarding this as dubious and amusing. Forgive my skepticism. Carry on with the movement.

Edit 4 days later to say OP now owns this game as well. It never fails. I'm sure their friend gifted it to them, like every other Denuvo game they own, though. So no worries.

[Rings]

Originally posted by Aikido:

As I've said many times, people are free to change their minds. And to do whatever they like. But if you're going to hold up Denuvo as a great anti-consumer evil, say you won't buy games because of its inclusion, but are then found to have owned multiple Denuvo containing games, and then instead of simply saying, "I changed my mind," or, "I made an exception because I love X game or it was on sale for Y," you protest stridently that every last one of them are gifts, you should expect a few raised eyebrows.

Again, to recap, the narrative being spun in this topic is: Denuvo is bad, but I own Denuvo games, oh but wait, I only own them because they were gifted to me, because they didn't consult me first and didn't know what my position was.... oh but wait they only did it because they know how much I love Sonic, and they actually did "definitely" know my position on Denuvo even though I just told you they might not have. Oh but wait they also gifted me these other non-Sonic Denuvo games. Because no matter what, I can't simply say "You know what? Screw it. I want my games, so I made an exception."

But yes, I'm being unreasonable for regarding this as dubious and amusing. Forgive my skepticism. Carry on with the movement.

You're desperately grasping for straws now.

I said they didn't consult me on gifting me the game. They already knew I hate Denuvo which is why I didn't already own the games. If they had consulted on whether I wanted them to gift me the games, I could have said no and chosen another game. However, they just gifted them. So I accepted them. My stance against Denuvo had always been clear, and was the reason they were able to gift the games to me in the first place, because otherwise I would have already owned them.

And the other games you are trying to call out are from Humble Bundle. My friend is a subscriber and gifts me one key every month. I don't look up whether the games have Denuvo, I just pick one I think looks the best for that month and that they don't want, and they give it to me. If you check my profile again, you'll see I have no play time whatsoever in MGS V nor Dirt 5.

Go ahead and check through my profile some more. I appreciate the attention you're giving me. I recently purchased a neat new steam animated profile background and love showing it off. As well as my favourite games showcase which shows my 4 fav games on Steam. Do check them out!

[NBOX21]

Originally posted by ♡♥♡Wei♡♥♡:

Definitely agree, the saying "Throwing the baby out with the bathwater" comes to mind.
Though taking action against it is important, too!

Yeah, I should've been a bit more clear on that part.
Taking action against Denuvo if you really don't want it in gaming is important, but you have to have good reasons for it. The reason I say this is because I've seen some really bad arguments against the use of Denuvo that actually harms the greater cause more than it helps.

One such example was when someone wanted to explain that "it impacts performance" while at the same time announcing that they're refusing to show proof of that because "everyone will believe the results are faked" and I called them out for that as I thought they were either lying or hiding something when they said that.

Know what I mean? Bad faith arguments against Denuvo only makes everyone else against it look bad. While I've seen more bad faith arguments from the opposite side, I've sadly witnessed some from the anti-Denuvo side of things as well.

[Grand Captain Speedy Dash]

Originally posted by Denka:

Originally posted by Grand Captain Speedy Dash:

Though I'm starting to sound like a broken record, since it's already able to be pirated there is no longer any purpose for Denuvo.

There is no crack for the PC version of Sonic Frontiers at all yet. That is why all these post about Denuvo have popped up, people are crying they can't pirate it.

The Switch version. Just because the PC version isn't cracked doesn't change the fact another version is, do you really think pirates are gonna buy the game instead of downloading the Switch version.

[Defective Dopamine Pez Dispenser]

Originally posted by Rings:

Originally posted by Aikido:

As I've said many times, people are free to change their minds. And to do whatever they like. But if you're going to hold up Denuvo as a great anti-consumer evil, say you won't buy games because of its inclusion, but are then found to have owned multiple Denuvo containing games, and then instead of simply saying, "I changed my mind," or, "I made an exception because I love X game or it was on sale for Y," you protest stridently that every last one of them are gifts, you should expect a few raised eyebrows.

Again, to recap, the narrative being spun in this topic is: Denuvo is bad, but I own Denuvo games, oh but wait, I only own them because they were gifted to me, because they didn't consult me first and didn't know what my position was.... oh but wait they only did it because they know how much I love Sonic, and they actually did "definitely" know my position on Denuvo even though I just told you they might not have. Oh but wait they also gifted me these other non-Sonic Denuvo games. Because no matter what, I can't simply say "You know what? Screw it. I want my games, so I made an exception."

But yes, I'm being unreasonable for regarding this as dubious and amusing. Forgive my skepticism. Carry on with the movement.

You're desperately grasping for straws now.

If you say so. I've long since learned it's futile, don't worry. As I said, carry on.

Edit 4 days later to say OP now owns this game as well. It never fails. I'm sure their friend gifted it to them, like every other Denuvo game they own, though. So no worries.

[Rings]

Originally posted by Aikido:

Originally posted by Rings:

You're desperately grasping for straws now.

If you say so. I've long since learned it's futile, don't worry. As I said, carry on.

Resignation accepted.