Why is Dr. Eggman still the villain?

[Cwispy]

Why do they continue to use this Joke of a character as the bad guy every. Single. Game. I liked him way more in the adventure era because he’s about his business. Now he’s not serious at all and is a complete joke. After watching the trailers for this game, I was disappointed to see his robots out and about and other Eggman themed things. I want a different original villain and I think we got one but I really really hope she’s not over shadowed by Eggman. I’m tired of, you thought the villain was someone else the whole time but it was me, Eggman like we got in generations and forces.

[Edward H.B]

Originally posted by MiddleWalker:

sonic writing is a mixed bag. sometimes you get gold and sometimes you get ♥♥♥♥. i wouldn't play sonic games for the story, it's going to be hit-or-miss all the way

dont worry, Ian Flynn is in this and pretty sure in futures proyects for now on

[Ikagura]

Doctor Robotnik being the villain should never be seen as an issue.

I mean I liked the Aparoid Queen in Starfox Assault but Andross is the real antagonist of the Starfox saga like Ganon for the Legend of Zelda.

[NBOX21]

Originally posted by Ikagura:

Doctor Robotnik being the villain should never be seen as an issue.

I mean I liked the Aparoid Queen in Starfox Assault but Andross is the real antagonist of the Starfox saga like Ganon for the Legend of Zelda.

No, but rather, the way he's treated as a villain in the newer games. He's not threatening at all, making it hard to take him seriously.

Heck, since you're bringing up various other Nintendo games, the way Eggman has been handled in the modern games is almost as bad as Andross was from Star Fox Adventures, who only showed up once with no fanfare, buildup or payoff whatsoever.
I mean, let's face it - even after the "twist", we all knew Eggman was going to be the real antagonist in Lost World anyway.

[GrimAtrament]

Originally posted by NBOX21:

Originally posted by Ikagura:

Doctor Robotnik being the villain should never be seen as an issue.

I mean I liked the Aparoid Queen in Starfox Assault but Andross is the real antagonist of the Starfox saga like Ganon for the Legend of Zelda.

No, but rather, the way he's treated as a villain in the newer games. He's not threatening at all, making it hard to take him seriously.

Heck, since you're bringing up various other Nintendo games, the way Eggman has been handled in the modern games is almost as bad as Andross was from Star Fox Adventures, who only showed up once with no fanfare, buildup or payoff whatsoever.
I mean, let's face it - even after the "twist", we all knew Eggman was going to be the real antagonist in Lost World anyway.

the last time eggman was threatening was sonic adventure 2

[NBOX21]

Originally posted by GrimAtrament:

the last time eggman was threatening was sonic adventure 2

Did you forget about Sonic Unleashed? He literally broke the world into pieces as early as the intro cutscene!

While sure, you could say he became more of a joke after that, he already established himself as a genuine threat that was even shown to the player, allowing us to take him seriously despite the humorous tone they gave him after that and I could see that as him being confident he'll succeed in his plans as opposed to just being a joke of a character for the purpose of comedy.

The handheld games on GBA and DS also established his character really well.

[Shadic]

Originally posted by NBOX21:

Originally posted by GrimAtrament:

the last time eggman was threatening was sonic adventure 2

Did you forget about Sonic Unleashed? He literally broke the world into pieces as early as the intro cutscene!

While sure, you could say he became more of a joke after that, he already established himself as a genuine threat that was even shown to the player, allowing us to take him seriously despite the humorous tone they gave him after that and I could see that as him being confident he'll succeed in his plans as opposed to just being a joke of a character for the purpose of comedy.

The handheld games on GBA and DS also established his character really well.

Unleashed was the beginning of the end. With orbot and cubot being introduced.

[Grand Captain Speedy Dash]

Originally posted by NBOX21:

Originally posted by GrimAtrament:

the last time eggman was threatening was sonic adventure 2

Did you forget about Sonic Unleashed? He literally broke the world into pieces as early as the intro cutscene!

While sure, you could say he became more of a joke after that, he already established himself as a genuine threat that was even shown to the player, allowing us to take him seriously despite the humorous tone they gave him after that and I could see that as him being confident he'll succeed in his plans as opposed to just being a joke of a character for the purpose of comedy.

The handheld games on GBA and DS also established his character really well.

He started strong but that was the end of it, he was just a joke after that. I believe the first time he appears after that, he's not taken serious by normal villagers and not even taken seriously by his robot assistants.

[NBOX21]

Originally posted by Grand Captain Speedy Dash:

He started strong but that was the end of it, he was just a joke after that. I believe the first time he appears after that, he's not taken serious by normal villagers and not even taken seriously by his robot assistants.

Which is still better than every game since.
I mean, I still can't get over the fact that Forces resorted to just using a black screen with white text to tell us about Eggman's takeover of the world instead of even trying to show it to us like most of the older games did.

[SHREDDER]

Because he is my friend and ally and i help him with my mad scientists to bulid his robots.
Do you think his robots and weapons would had been so powerful if he didnt have my support?
And also because from all the enemies of sonic he is the best. No one of the other of sonic enemies has a huge army of robots and spaceships like Eggman does.

[Ikagura]

Originally posted by BCrunch909:

Imagine for example if eggman found an ancient evil but it quickly overpowered him...

It has already been done thrice with Sonic Adventure, 2006 and Unleashed.

Having to use a monster of the week that gets beaten by Super Sonic got old too quickly.

[NBOX21]

Originally posted by Ikagura:

Originally posted by BCrunch909:

Imagine for example if eggman found an ancient evil but it quickly overpowered him...

It has already been done thrice with Sonic Adventure, 2006 and Unleashed.

Having to use a monster of the week that gets beaten by Super Sonic got old too quickly.

Nice try. You deliberately cut off a part of someone's comment to make your response look better. Here's the full quote, and allow me to give a proper response to it:

Originally posted by BCrunch909:

Imagine for example if eggman found an ancient evil but it quickly overpowered and possessed him and made him into a completely different person until it was over. That idea alone would allow for many more unique ideas and concepts. And I had that idea just now in like 10 seconds, there is certainly untapped potential.

Previous games had the villains overpower him to the point where they take over as the new villain, requiring Super Sonic to finish them off. What this person describes sounds more akin to something like Zelda Majora's Mask where the Skull Kid uses an evil mask he stole from the Happy Mask Salesman, using it to do all kinds of horrible things until Link vanquishes the mask itself restoring the Skull Kid back to his former self.

While I'm not sure if I like the idea of this for Eggman, it'd probably be a cool idea to see this for either an existing ally character we don't get to play as, or a brand new character that develops and learns from this experience. Which was something Colours didn't even try with, as Tails gets possessed for 5 seconds and is never brought up again like it never happened.

[Ikagura]

The idea of Robotnik getting possessed by an ancient being sounds a bit too outlandish for the series.

Originally posted by NBOX21:

Which was something Colours didn't even try with, as Tails gets possessed for 5 seconds and is never brought up again like it never happened.

Because his nega Wisp power was depleted but the Armor was a more perfectionned version of it and he planned to enslave the entire population of Mobius.

I doubt Sonic could fight Tails.

[bud]

Originally posted by NBOX21:

Originally posted by Ikagura:

It has already been done thrice with Sonic Adventure, 2006 and Unleashed.

Having to use a monster of the week that gets beaten by Super Sonic got old too quickly.

Nice try. You deliberately cut off a part of someone's comment to make your response look better. Here's the full quote, and allow me to give a proper response to it:

Originally posted by BCrunch909:

Imagine for example if eggman found an ancient evil but it quickly overpowered and possessed him and made him into a completely different person until it was over. That idea alone would allow for many more unique ideas and concepts. And I had that idea just now in like 10 seconds, there is certainly untapped potential.

Previous games had the villains overpower him to the point where they take over as the new villain, requiring Super Sonic to finish them off. What this person describes sounds more akin to something like Zelda Majora's Mask where the Skull Kid uses an evil mask he stole from the Happy Mask Salesman, using it to do all kinds of horrible things until Link vanquishes the mask itself restoring the Skull Kid back to his former self.

While I'm not sure if I like the idea of this for Eggman, it'd probably be a cool idea to see this for either an existing ally character we don't get to play as, or a brand new character that develops and learns from this experience. Which was something Colours didn't even try with, as Tails gets possessed for 5 seconds and is never brought up again like it never happened.

Thanks. The reason I thought of eggman is because he has so much power and resources, and if he were essentially a different person then I imagine him being able to use those resources in a much different way. That could mean almost anything for story and level ideas. And again thats just a random 10 second idea, Im sure better ideas can come from professional writers over the span of months or years.

It could even lead eggman to reconsider his own practices and behaviors after the fact and start to have a knock on effect on his later strategies and plots in newer games, though maybe he'd be too proud for that.

[◢ k r i s ◤]

"A hero is only as interesting as their villain." I mean, just look at Robotni- oh.
(memories flood with "You're too slow!" memes ad nauseam)



Pingas.

[Heroine Nisa]

I like Eggman, the problem with Eggman is Eggman after the Adventure era (Adventure to 06) where Eggman is written fairly badly because of the writer being not good at all, the only exception being Sonic Unleashed (who had a different writer, who knew!) instead of the joke we got during the meta era of sonic (colors, lost world and forces).

Eggman has always been threatening and he always had a goofy side to him. I like Eggman, specially in Adventure. So long as this Eggman is the same or follows a similar style I'll be happy.