Censored patch

[Asyr]

I dunnow why there is even an additonal patch when it has mosaics *shigh* this is truly dissapointing. Don't get me wrong i still love the game and the fact that there are more trap games out there but mosaics are just not needed i don't get where the diffrence between mosaics and non mosaics lies.

[Hiecchi]

To sell the game in japan too
The only reason why we get mosaics this time is the multilanguage release
Trap Shrine was a exclusive thing

[Asyr]

nono i get that the thing i don't get is the idea behind the law itself :D kinda ridicilous if you ask me ^^

[walpurgis]

What do you guys think are our chances, that there will ever be some company publishing an uncensored version?

[Hiecchi]

Originally posted by Loki:

What do you guys think are our chances, that there will ever be some company publishing an uncensored version?

Trap shrine was only avaible for Fakku and Steam and after the fakku version is the same like the steam version, i doubt you will a "unmosaic'd" version

[arsenicBumpnip]

I really don't understand why devs/pubs don't just have two separate versions of the art for different regions. Like they're already doing language translations, and the artist had to draw the art in order for the censors to apply the mosaic to it, the hell's preventing them from shipping a version with the un-mosaic'd art to American/etc regions?

Like, we already see exactly that happen -all the time- with web games from DMM when they get English releases on Nutaku.

[Skylar]

I only recently heard of this. I never was aware that there was even a uncensored no mosaic version for the first game. Which apparently there is, They released an uncensored version a year after the games release on another website forcing you to shell out more cash for it (or at least that's what i heard). Honestly i love the story but this is a deal breaker for me and i personally don't want to support this company if they try doing this sort of thing.

[Syumari]

Some people seem to be misunderstanding. "No Strike" who developed "Trap Legend" is a Japanese company, and of course it must comply with Japanese law.
And CG that does not modify the sex scene is illegal in Japan.
It's not because the developer company wants to express the CG modified by mosaic.
Also, "No Strike" and "Eroge Japan" are distributed with patches that update the CG of the game.
If you make a complaint to the game developer, I think you should look for the patch and apply it first.

[arsenicBumpnip]

Originally posted by Syumari:

Some people seem to be misunderstanding. "No Strike" who developed "Trap Legend" is a Japanese company, and of course it must comply with Japanese law.
And CG that does not modify the sex scene is illegal in Japan.
It's not because the developer company wants to express the CG modified by mosaic.
Also, "No Strike" and "Eroge Japan" are distributed with patches that update the CG of the game.
If you make a complaint to the game developer, I think you should look for the patch and apply it first.

Right but the problem is that those patches still have mosaics. There's no reason I can think of that they couldn't make a version of the game that's only available in Western markets with no mosaics, while still keeping the versions they distribute in Japan mosaic'd

[Syumari]

Originally posted by arsenicBumpnip:

Right but the problem is that those patches still have mosaics. There's no reason I can think of that they couldn't make a version of the game that's only available in Western markets with no mosaics, while still keeping the versions they distribute in Japan mosaic'd

I think it would be a bit terrible to criticize the game company just because those patches are only described as adding CG, so they are not uncensored.

Certainly, in the previous "Trap Shrine", a patch that uncensored CG was distributed, but there may be some reason why this "Trap Legend" patch is not, and later There may be patch updates.

Many "Eroge" have been released in Japan, but only a few game companies localized in multiple languages ​​and distributed to platforms like Steam.

“No Strike” is not a big company either. But if you criticize a company like them, rather than support it, it will be difficult for other companies to follow.

Whether “No Strike” will continue to deliver new titles on Steam will depend on the support of everyone outside Japan.

[arsenicBumpnip]

Originally posted by Syumari:

Originally posted by arsenicBumpnip:

Right but the problem is that those patches still have mosaics. There's no reason I can think of that they couldn't make a version of the game that's only available in Western markets with no mosaics, while still keeping the versions they distribute in Japan mosaic'd

I think it would be a bit terrible to criticize the game company just because those patches are only described as adding CG, so they are not uncensored.

Certainly, in the previous "Trap Shrine", a patch that uncensored CG was distributed, but there may be some reason why this "Trap Legend" patch is not, and later There may be patch updates.

Many "Eroge" have been released in Japan, but only a few game companies localized in multiple languages ​​and distributed to platforms like Steam.

“No Strike” is not a big company either. But if you criticize a company like them, rather than support it, it will be difficult for other companies to follow.

Whether “No Strike” will continue to deliver new titles on Steam will depend on the support of everyone outside Japan.

I mean for one, I think it's perfectly reasonable to criticize when companies release their games over here while still keeping the mosaics in, even if they openly let you know they're there, because western Eroge players on the whole prefer not having them. No sense supporting a company that doesn't deliver what its customers want when there's already others that do, right?

And it's not like I haven't supported them in the past, but the way these releases are being treated is making me increasingly wary of future support. I own Trap Shrine, and have been especially disappointed to learn that I essentially wasted my money on the Steam version due to the Fakku version having no mosaics, so I'm well within my right to withhold further support until they get their act together, during which I'll voice my criticism on how they've been handling their Western releases.

[jclosed]

Hmm... That's not that great...

I mean - Yeah, I do not mind mosaics that much. I can accept that some tiles have them. However - In this case there is a huge inconsistency between their previous title and this title, and that triggers the controversy.

I think in this case people have a right to be at least disturbed about it. I mean - Why the hell give a mosaic-free version of the first game to the western market, and plaster mosaics all over the second game in the same market? For a lot of people that does not make any sense at all, and rightfully so.

Yeah - I get that they wanted to release a language-unified version, but they could at least had made a mosaic-free-only-English patch. By doing it this way you avoid coming in conflict with the Japanese law.

Just simply make two patches. One for the Japanese (Japanese language only) market, and one for the western (English language) world. As said - That way you avoid conflict with the Japanese law. That surely does not have to be a lot of work. You simply have to replace the censored CG with the mosaic-free CG for the western market version. I even doubt if that's more than one or two hours of work. And if that small amount of work gives you happy (and thus returning) costumers, then why not? It's not like you have to redesign the entire game. You only have to make two separate patches, that not even cost a lot of programming.

I think they made some strange decisions that have caused backfire. And honestly - I think that backfire is (at least for the mosaic part) rightful and deserved.

[Ari Kawaii]

And now we wait for modders

[walpurgis]

Originally posted by arsenicBumpnip:

And it's not like I haven't supported them in the past, but the way these releases are being treated is making me increasingly wary of future support. I own Trap Shrine, and have been especially disappointed to learn that I essentially wasted my money on the Steam version due to the Fakku version having no mosaics, so I'm well within my right to withhold further support until they get their act together, during which I'll voice my criticism on how they've been handling their Western releases.

Well said. This is exactly what I have decided to do too.

If they don't deem it important enough to actually cater to what western customers want & prefer, then they might as well not get our money. It's that simple. It's that easy.

Would be the easiest thing for them to sell 2 separate versions on Seam Store, one for japanese people with mosaics and one that only is available in western regions by region locking.

Many censored games, mostly due to violence, do this in several countries. For example Resident Evil 4 or Fallout New Vegas to name a few.