Does This Have Denuvo?

[KWAiRT]

Not listed on the store.

[The One True Git]

I heard someone griping about it on the forum here earlier, but I havent seen anything about it myself.

[ByTheNumbers]

Oh it's going have some sort of DRM and you're going to complain anyway. Not to worry. You won't be disappointed.

[KuriKona]

There is Steam DRM.

[Zunnoab #931]

It's weird how much misinformation persists about Denuvo. There are legitimate complaints, of course, but a lot of the meme reasons are nonsense.

What Denuvo does (when implemented correctly) is defend the portion of the game responsible for DRM, and does periodically re-authenticate online. Poorly implemented, it can have performance impacts. I'm not defending the online check-in thing; just describing what it does.

The SSD stuff was never true, it doesn't intrinsically have administrator access to the machine, and it only runs as part of the game not as mysterious software installed elsewhere on the machine.

Obviously tell me if I got any of that wrong, of course. The recent Doom fiasco was the first I heard of it trying to run at such a high admin level.

[KWAiRT]

Well for one you don't put performance altering DRM on a VR title that is a frelling no brainer.

[Brian Damegd]

Ofc it has. We are talking about EA here...

[KWAiRT]

Първоначално публикувано от Brian Damegd:

Ofc it has. We are talking about EA here...

EA does hide all Denuvo reference on their own website and will not even talk about it over the phone directly. However on STEAM the DRM has to be listed.

[Panic Fire]

Първоначално публикувано от Zunnoab #931:

It's weird how much misinformation persists about Denuvo. There are legitimate complaints, of course, but a lot of the meme reasons are nonsense.

What Denuvo does (when implemented correctly) is defend the portion of the game responsible for DRM, and does periodically re-authenticate online. Poorly implemented, it can have performance impacts. I'm not defending the online check-in thing; just describing what it does.

The SSD stuff was never true, it doesn't intrinsically have administrator access to the machine, and it only runs as part of the game not as mysterious software installed elsewhere on the machine.

Obviously tell me if I got any of that wrong, of course. The recent Doom fiasco was the first I heard of it trying to run at such a high admin level.

The doom thing wasn't Denuvo it was Denuvo Anti Cheat which is a new software IP the denuvo team tried out. Didn't go over well. Denuvo Anti Cheat has nothing to do with Denuvo Copy Protection.

[Tau Settee]

Първоначално публикувано от HOPE1134:

There is Steam DRM.

All of us here have pretty much given in to having Steam's DRM - and to be honest it rarely fails and does not run when Stem isn't running (as I understand it).

The Steam store page does not list Denuvo but it's available from EA's own store... if I was confident that there would be no extra DRM on top of steam I would pre-order today.

[Chaunsey]

steam is also not inherently DRM, a lot of people dont realize it, but plenty of steam games are DRM free and will actually run without steam.

that said, yes, if you're on steam, you have accepted steam as a basic DRM and all other forms of DRM are required by steam to be listed on the store page.

most EA games clearly list origin and/or any other DRM they require. squadrons only says that it requires an EA login, so there should be no other 3rd party software needed.

obviously, we're still over a month from release, things could always change before then, but i think by now they'd have already made that change if it were going to happen.

[Plonker]

Първоначално публикувано от Talos:

Not listed on the store.

Nobody cares. Denuvo is fine.

[Tau Settee]

Първоначално публикувано от Chaunsey:

steam is also not inherently DRM, a lot of people dont realize it, but plenty of steam games are DRM free and will actually run without steam.

True, but..

Първоначално публикувано от Chaunsey:

that said, yes, if you're on steam, you have accepted steam as a basic DRM and all other forms of DRM are required by steam to be listed on the store page.

most EA games clearly list origin and/or any other DRM they require. squadrons only says that it requires an EA login, so there should be no other 3rd party software needed.

This is my hope, though I find it hard to believe that EA will release something without DRM (it's being sold on the EA store and probably elsewhere, so doesn't seem to rely on Steam DRM).

Първоначално публикувано от Chaunsey:

obviously, we're still over a month from release, things could always change before then, but i think by now they'd have already made that change if it were going to happen.

It's tempting. I may have to look up the details of Steam's return/refund policy - because so much about this game is already hard to believe - maybe no-extra-DRM is too? Would be great to get an official word on it rather than hoping, though.

Първоначално публикувано от Ian:

Първоначално публикувано от Talos:

Not listed on the store.

Nobody cares. Denuvo is fine.

It's fine for you. I care.

[D I A B L O]

Първоначално публикувано от Panic Fire:

Първоначално публикувано от Zunnoab #931:

It's weird how much misinformation persists about Denuvo. There are legitimate complaints, of course, but a lot of the meme reasons are nonsense.

What Denuvo does (when implemented correctly) is defend the portion of the game responsible for DRM, and does periodically re-authenticate online. Poorly implemented, it can have performance impacts. I'm not defending the online check-in thing; just describing what it does.

The SSD stuff was never true, it doesn't intrinsically have administrator access to the machine, and it only runs as part of the game not as mysterious software installed elsewhere on the machine.

Obviously tell me if I got any of that wrong, of course. The recent Doom fiasco was the first I heard of it trying to run at such a high admin level.

The doom thing wasn't Denuvo it was Denuvo Anti Cheat which is a new software IP the denuvo team tried out. Didn't go over well. Denuvo Anti Cheat has nothing to do with Denuvo Copy Protection.

doom eternal had denuvo, just bethesda released the crack for it lol the day it launched

[Tuco]

Първоначално публикувано от HOPE1134:

There is Steam DRM.

"Steam DRM" is just an encrypted exe before release, so it's completely inconsequential.
People who keep comparing it to Denuvo as if they were the exact same thing completely miss the point.

[Panic Fire]

Първоначално публикувано от Tuco:

Първоначално публикувано от HOPE1134:

There is Steam DRM.

"Steam DRM" is just an encrypted exe before release, so it's completely inconsequential.
People who keep comparing it to Denuvo as if they were the exact same thing completely miss the point.

Steam DRM is called Steam CEG, and is an Optional add on (that almost all games choose to use) and is in fact DRM.