"Hurr Durrr Ao Bai Sucks"

[[OT]Nekrage]

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[Rugged Lemmings]

Don't know who's been telling you that Ao Bai sucks but even without your screenshot I could easily tell you they're wrong. :^)

[Eudicots]

lol i don't think anyone thinks this. I do suck the most with this character though.

[[OT]Nekrage]

Originally posted by Rugged Lemmings:

Don't know who's been telling you that Ao Bai sucks but even without your screenshot I could easily tell you they're wrong. :^)

Originally posted by Eudicots:

lol i don't think anyone thinks this. I do suck the most with this character though.

Originally posted by Fixture:

you're retarded bro ao bai is cracked always has been

"As such, the dog is best used as additional firepower in a party of players. However, that still means investing precious soul essence into a character that just isn’t that worthwhile. It’s a shame too because he has a great visual design, and the idea of dual-wielding like the gunzerker in Borderlands 2 sounds amazing on paper. Yet when thrown in on his own, the dog just isn’t that distinctive a choice."

https://www.reddit.com/poll/p75331?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=usertext&utm_name=GunfireReborn&utm_content=t3_p75331

Ao Bai ranked last BY FAR.

https://gamerant.com/gunfire-reborn-every-hero/

Ao Bai ranked dead last again.

https://www.gamepur.com/guides/gunfire-reborn-character-tier-list-best-characters-in-gunfire-reborn

Ao Bai ranked 2nd to last.

[Eudicots]

Originally posted by OTNekrage:

As such, the dog is best used as additional firepower in a party of players. However, that still means investing precious soul essence into a character that just isn’t that worthwhile. It’s a shame too because he has a great visual design, and the idea of dual-wielding like the gunzerker in Borderlands 2 sounds amazing on paper. Yet when thrown in on his own, the dog just isn’t that distinctive a choice.

https://www.reddit.com/poll/p75331?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=usertext&utm_name=GunfireReborn&utm_content=t3_p75331

Ao Bai ranked last BY FAR.

https://gamerant.com/gunfire-reborn-every-hero/

Ao Bai ranked dead last again.

https://www.gamepur.com/guides/gunfire-reborn-character-tier-list-best-characters-in-gunfire-reborn

Ao Bai ranked 2nd to last.

Plain and simple. Dog has the weakest early game, but is one of the strongest characters late game.

HAHA these links are all garbage. Not only are they outdated they clearly lack any knowledge of how the game works. Ignore these

The issue with ranking characters is that Normal, Elite, Nightmare have completely different build potentials compared to Reincarnation. A lot of the "downsides" mentioned in those links aren't necessarily true. It really just comes down to each players skills since everybody will excel with different playstyles.

[Fixture]

This is from the same place that you quoted earlier and they say hes cracked youre living in 2020 like a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ knobbb no cap

https://gamerant.com/gunfire-reborn-best-ao-bai-build/

[[OT]Nekrage]

Originally posted by Fixture:

This is from the same place that you quoted earlier and they say hes cracked youre living in 2020 like a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ knobbb no cap

https://gamerant.com/gunfire-reborn-best-ao-bai-build/

I can barely understand what you are trying to say. Please work on your grammar a bit. You come off quite uneducated.

The entire point of this post is to point out all the "guides" and "rankings" that list him as crap TO THIS DAY. Search "Gunfire Reborn Best Character" or "Gunfire Reborn Character Rankings" and you will see the same results across the board putting Ao in last place or damn close to it.

Originally posted by Eudicots:

they clearly lack any knowledge of how the game works. Ignore these

That we can certainly agree on.

[Rugged Lemmings]

Originally posted by OTNekrage:

Originally posted by Fixture:

This is from the same place that you quoted earlier and they say hes cracked youre living in 2020 like a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ knobbb no cap

https://gamerant.com/gunfire-reborn-best-ao-bai-build/

I can barely understand what you are trying to say. Please work on your grammar a bit. You come off quite uneducated.

The entire point of this post is to point out all the "guides" and "rankings" that list him as crap TO THIS DAY. Search "Gunfire Reborn Best Character" or "Gunfire Reborn Character Rankings" and you will see the same results across the board putting Ao in last place or damn close to it.

Originally posted by Eudicots:

they clearly lack any knowledge of how the game works. Ignore these

That we can certainly agree on.

The moral of the story is that a lot of people have a lot of ♥♥♥♥ takes on this game. Best to ignore them, especially when you go on to agree with a post that points out the links you're posting "clearly lack any knowledge of how the game works."

[Songbird]

Ao Bai does have some pretty nasty damage and survivability issues early game. He's the only character that doesn't have a skill that clears most enemies or cleans up deadly situations quickly for him, and his sustain starts out worse than the other characters. He also becomes virtually invincible with Sharpshooter, Battle-Tested and/or Weapon Genius/Ancient Timer, and a point in Golden Comeback. Or some lifesteal and Close Call (+Golden Comeback or some scrolls for protection against elemental damage). Basically, his Survival tree is like the most boring, simple way to just be immune to death as long as you cancel and restart Dual Wield within the right window.

I actually think the character is terribly designed and should have his trees drastically reworked, but his broken thoughtless defensive passives are probably still more consistent than a character like Tao that just kind of dies when the wind blows unless she gets exactly Sword Guard. No reason a character should have the level of garbage that is half the Gunfire tree or the entire Detonation tree outside of Overloading (and sometimes Explosion Enhancement) attached to them. (I mean, Detonation can be good, if you take a blessing that makes it over fifteen times as strong, but its base power level is just...)

[Kito_In_An_Bento]

i'm honestly more amaze to the guy or gal who rock a sword build throughout that run. as for the ao bai sucks nah he alright to me.

[Paw]

i feel like ao bai got a pretty bad impression starting off, that is until you get spiritual remnants from the fungus dude. his secondary is pretty weak compared to others with no elemental effects or lack of damage, until you get atomic bomber.
while his primary is strong, also has an extremely long cooldown compared to someone like lei or tao, which goes off instantly. and all the others have a medium cooldown with multiple options to reset or mitigate it more than ao bai does. this results in terrible consistency, having a lot of damage for half of the time, while being useless for the other half. it does not help that a third of his ascensions rely on his primary to be up to have a meaningful impact either. but once you get to R1, bam, weapon genius comes into play and removes his weaknesses.
but aren't all the other characters the same? once they get their spiritual remnant, they can also be good, too. either way, he is absolutely terrible in every game mode but reincarnation difficulties.

[Rugged Lemmings]

Originally posted by PAWKIEN:

i feel like ao bai got a pretty bad impression starting off, that is until you get spiritual remnants from the fungus dude. his secondary is pretty weak compared to others with no elemental effects or lack of damage, until you get atomic bomber.
while his primary is strong, also has an extremely long cooldown compared to someone like lei or tao, which goes off instantly. and all the others have a medium cooldown with multiple options to reset or mitigate it more than ao bai does. this results in terrible consistency, having a lot of damage for half of the time, while being useless for the other half. it does not help that a third of his ascensions rely on his primary to be up to have a meaningful impact either. but once you get to R1, bam, weapon genius comes into play and removes his weaknesses.
but aren't all the other characters the same? once they get their spiritual remnant, they can also be good, too. either way, he is absolutely terrible in every game mode but reincarnation difficulties.

There's plenty of ways to make his primary's cooldown more manageable by either extending it's duration (hell, getting the dog's frame requires having dual wield going for 5 minutes straight) or with cooldown reduction. Once you get the ascension that refunds cooldown for cancelling early it's really easy to pop dual wield on and off to have it effectively on the entire time.

Regarding him being garbage in everything but reincarnation: that's simply not true either. There's a lot of combinations you can do with dual wielding, and many of them are surprisingly effective. I'll admit that his grenade build is a joke outside of Reincarnation, but if you're going with a launcher build where you'll be buffing up your explosions then they make for perfectly fine supplementary damage. Dump points into your explosive ascensions, grab yourself a good mortar and gemini it with mag share so it has 80+ rounds in the mag, and watch as the cluster shot vaporizes an entire crowd.

I'm not saying he's the best character in the game. When stacked up in comparison with the others he could even be the "worst." But that doesn't mean he's out-right bad. People that think that don't know how to use him, but such is the case any time someone says "(fill in the blank) is bad" in this game.

I will agree that his early game is pretty terrible and he definitely needs time to scale.

[Heroic Ryan]

Ao Bai sucks? Really? I'm pretty new to the game and only have just under 10 hours of playtime, but so far Ao Bai has been my favorite character of the 3 I have unlocked so far. With the right weapons, scrolls, and skill upgrades, the dual-wielding just TEARS through enemies in seconds. Even elites. Does strong dmg against bosses too.

(That said this gameplay was on normal difficulty, idk how he performs on harder difficulties)

[nul]

Originally posted by Heroic Ryan:

Ao Bai sucks? Really? I'm pretty new to the game and only have just under 10 hours of playtime, but so far Ao Bai has been my favorite character of the 3 I have unlocked so far. With the right weapons, scrolls, and skill upgrades, the dual-wielding just TEARS through enemies in seconds. Even elites. Does strong dmg against bosses too.

(That said this gameplay was on normal difficulty, idk how he performs on harder difficulties)

He's very good in normal and elite, but is very difficult to play in nightmare. He gets good again in reincarnation if you use spiritual blessings.

This is mostly because he has the worst health to shield ratio in the game. So without the higher damage output compared to other characters (pre-reincarnation), he has troubles dealing with his health getting constantly chipped away at due to the low shield. Or just depleted by enemies with fire damage. His biggest saving grace in nightmare is making sure you use grenades at the right time to stagger enemies. Like just before longbowmen start shooting, or when arsonists just get into flamethrower range.
Otherwise, on lower difficulties, his application of damage is versatile enough to eliminate enemies before they become issues. And on reincarnation, he has access to really good spiritual blessings.

[gungadin22000]

Doggy is my favourite character. Immensely tanky and his primary skill is by far the most fun in the game.

Main issue I have with him is that some builds seem to fall off hard at higher difficulty levels, most notably explosive weapon builds, which are great at lower levels but simply don't have the oomph to clear the tough special ability monsters in R8. Exception, of course, is atomic bomb build, but that's broken as all hells and doesn't really count.

Additionally, I feel that with the other characters, having some unlucky ascension scroll pick options isn't that big a deal. Even if you've your heart set on making a gas-grenade focused Crown Prince, adding more elemental damage or crowd control ability from his non-grenade trees is still useful to him.

For the dog, however, unless you are running an explosive weapons build specifically, his entire yellow skill tree is completely useless and a few accidental picks from here will horribly hamper your survivabilty and damage. The grenade is really puny from the get-go and needs some serious bonuses before becoming viable, making dog one of the characters whose Q ability isn't useful at all unless specced for.

These are just my thoughts on the matter. It can also hurt a playthrough getting the wrong ascensions on other characters, they just never really hurt me as much as when I get explosive picks on a dual-wield dog build.

[Jacobella]

Originally posted by Eudicots:

Plain and simple. Dog has the weakest early game, but is one of the strongest characters late game.

I used to think Dog sucks until I figured this out and only then I got better