Fish or bear paw is useless??

[ChokeMeHarderDaddy]

Has anyone found a use for this scroll, it's a legendary even, I could understand the use if the damage was reduced by only 25% but still, the crits and lucky shots nullify make so you get less damage potential while using it

[<#9400D3>Dream]

x2 stacks

[MBRedboy31]

It doesn't do anything on its own, but it synergizes with scrolls and whatnot that activate more often when you get more hits (since it means you're getting twice as many hits as normal.)

[Eudicots]

It doubles the chance of triggering elemental effect. It also pairs well with scrolls and ascension that have a percent chance of triggering on hit. It can also work with the inscriptions like 25% instant kill on hit. It's one of the best scrolls in game with no downside.

[ChokeMeHarderDaddy]

Originally posted by Eudicots:

It doubles the chance of triggering elemental effect. It also pairs well with scrolls and ascension that have a percent chance of triggering on hit. It can also work with the inscriptions like 25% instant kill on hit. It's one of the best scrolls in game with no downside.

You actually loose the potential of multipliers, luckshot and crit work together making a huge damage, and so far the only reasonable element fusion is miasma, which is good but since reincarnation and other difficulties focus on kill them first DOT's become a risky option

[parent child bowl]

Originally posted by HenryStanller:

You actually loose the potential of multipliers, luckshot and crit work together making a huge damage, and so far the only reasonable element fusion is miasma, which is good but since reincarnation and other difficulties focus on kill them first DOT's become a risky option

You don't lose damage in the vast majority of cases. If you'd deal a 10k crit without F&B, F&B just turns it into two 5k crits. On-hit effects trigger twice meaning whatever you're ramping up, ramps up twice as fast e.g. demonlore buff or stacking lucky strike modifiers etc.. There are tons of things outside of dots that benefit from double hitrate. Bunny's Fatal Bloom does too if you fancy yourself a build around it. It also doubles the number of swords generated by Empathy with Sword.

The only case that comes to mind where F&B is generally a bad idea is when you rely on magical supply because you need that massive damage in one hit. There certainly are other cases, but they are very few compared to cases where F&B is neutral or beneficial.

[Vaude]

Combo'd with new hero it's incredibly OP because her secondary activates on amount of hits so it cuts it in half. Far from useless.

[Gam3rX{{WaR}}]

you gain damage? it subtracts -50% damage but you hit twice, meaning you get +100% damage from an extra hit technically and then -50%, so its a net gain of 50% damage at least

[squishy]

Originally posted by Gam3rX{{WaR}}:

you gain damage? it subtracts -50% damage but you hit twice, meaning you get +100% damage from an extra hit technically and then -50%, so its a net gain of 50% damage at least

lol........

[Pegarex]

what about the new characters E ability? does it help regenerating stacks?

[Halser, the]

fish or bear paw can be a hindrance on Lei Luo if you're going for Magical Supply chaining, but that's about it. You'll get more elemental procs, more lucky shot damage(on average) and other stuff like Giant Slayer, Tao's "grenade" procs and Qin Yang's armor per hit procs.

[Intimus gel]

Originally posted by Eudicots:

It doubles the chance of triggering elemental effect. It also pairs well with scrolls and ascension that have a percent chance of triggering on hit. It can also work with the inscriptions like 25% instant kill on hit. It's one of the best scrolls in game with no downside.

If the probability of elemental proc is p, with F or BP the probability becomes 2p − p², so almost doubles

[parent child bowl]

Originally posted by Pegarex:

what about the new characters E ability? does it help regenerating stacks?

Doesn't apply because her E counts bullets not hits.

[Lunacy]

It also works well with stuff that requires hits, allowing you to build it up twice as fast.

Originally posted by Vaude:

Combo'd with new hero it's incredibly OP because her secondary activates on amount of hits so it cuts it in half. Far from useless.

i do believe it's ammo spent not number of hits
if you've used a rainbow arch with her, the alt fire is a single shot that uses 8 ammo and still gives the same amount of ability charge
You can even charge it without even hitting anything.

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One of the stronger scrolls in game. Its steroids to anything stacking...

[KoJeT_]

Originally posted by Vaude:

Combo'd with new hero it's incredibly OP because her secondary activates on amount of hits so it cuts it in half. Far from useless.

It also works really well with her Talent that makes her spawn swords on hit basically makes each shot a 20% chance to spawn a phantom sword.