Red alert soviet campaign and tiberian universe.

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Would you consider the soviet campaign in red alert canon to the tiberium universe? And what may have happened between 1950's and 1995 when tiberium hits the earth?

I'm pretty curious about it, Kane does appear in the soviet campaign and nadia reveals herself a NOD agent at the end of the game. I'd definitely consider it canon to the tiberian universe.

[Nyerguds]

Myea, a classic theory is that since Nod takes over the USSR and then deliberately leaves it leaderless, its only goal there is to leave behind a ruined nation which gives them easy ground to recruit followers from, with that ending leading to Tiberian Dawn, while the Allied victory leads to RA2.

There are some interesting details in that theory; Russia is shown to be part of GDI in TD's video going over global alliances. This doesn't seem too unrealistic if the Soviet union collapses, and would in fact explain how GDI ends up with the Mammoth Tank tech.

[Cat]

That was the original plan when they made Red Alert and they are supposed to reveal more of this in Tiberian Sun. But in the end, they cut this idea and made Tiberian Sun without any connection to the Soviet campaign and Red Alert 2 is now in a separate universe. So, they just threw this "canon" out the window.

[Nightwolfnl]

Originally posted by Nyerguds:

Myea, a classic theory is that since Nod takes over the USSR and then deliberately leaves it leaderless, its only goal there is to leave behind a ruined nation which gives them easy ground to recruit followers from, with that ending leading to Tiberian Dawn, while the Allied victory leads to RA2.

There are some interesting details in that theory; Russia is shown to be part of GDI in TD's video going over global alliances. This doesn't seem too unrealistic if the Soviet union collapses, and would in fact explain how GDI ends up with the Mammoth Tank tech.

But why would Nod end up with light tanks then? To me that theory doesn't really make sense then.

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I still generally accept the soviet campaign as canon to the tiberium universe.

[Nyerguds]

Originally posted by Nightwolfnl:

But why would Nod end up with light tanks then? To me that theory doesn't really make sense then.

I don't see how that's related to RA at all. From what I can see, Kane's reluctance to attack the USA, as mentioned by Seth, is simply because he buys stuff from US arms dealers.

[Bernhard]

It is one of the main campaigns in an official C&C game and there is nothing in the game itself that says one campaign is canon and the other is not.

We already know that there exist many different timelines in the C&C universe, Red Alert itself is based on an alternate timeline from ours and even more timeline shenanigans happen in Red Alert 3. So having multiple timelines that are all considered canon isn't really an issue in the C&C universe.

The way I see it, the Soviet campaign is just yet another possible timeline that was unfortunately never explored further in the sequels.

[BeholdThePowerOfNod]

The whole C&C timeline is intertwined within itself.There is a YouTube video by NoStringsPrd that dives into the Red Alert timeline and how it relates to the Tiberium Timeline.

Video:
https://youtu.be/ZmP__MTS8PQ

There's even another video by the same person:
https://youtu.be/zHAgZ-HfhSU

[Panic Fire]

Originally posted by ThatWasLeftHanded:

The whole C&C timeline is intertwined within itself.There is a YouTube video by NoStringsPrd that dives into the Red Alert timeline and how it relates to the Tiberium Timeline.

Video:
https://youtu.be/ZmP__MTS8PQ

There's even another video by the same person:
https://youtu.be/zHAgZ-HfhSU

Again just fan theory.

The current lore, is that Tiberian timeline and the Red Alert Timelines are completely seperate. Until they make a game that unifies those timelines this is the current lore.

[Nightwolfnl]

Originally posted by Nyerguds:

I don't see how that's related to RA at all.

Really?

The USSR collapses, becomes GDI-territory, GDI gains Mammoth-tank tech and somehow Kain would not use said tech for Nod but uses the Allies' light tanks instead? Yeah, that's a little too weird without any proper explanation.

[Kilopede]

Soviet victory then collapse leading to the Tiberium universe makes sense.
The allied nations were occupied then likely left to rebuild themselves when the USSR collapsed.
I could see this leading to a much stronger more cohesive Europe (considering Germany and Italy weren't bad guys in this timeline) leading to a stronger UN leading into the creation of GDI.
And it also explains the loss of the technology, in the Soviet campaign Stalin gave up on capturing the Chronosphere leading to the loss of that technology, and of course USSR collapsing could lead to the loss of the Iron curtain technology due to how controlled it would have been. Though the loss of Iron Curtain tech is a bit a blunder on Nods part considering they had infiltrated the USSR.

[Nyerguds]

Originally posted by Nightwolfnl:

and somehow Kain would not use said tech for Nod but uses the Allies' light tanks instead? Yeah, that's a little too weird without any proper explanation.

I see your confusion. Light tanks in C&C1 are, in fact, unrelated to the RA1 light tanks.

As I said, they are US military materiel. Specifically, they are M2 Bradley IFVs, modified to get a cannon in their turret instead of a chaingun. The C&C1 manual referred to them as the (fictional) model "M2F Bradley".

Though given the fact they forgot to give the two vehicles different graphics in the Remaster, I guess the confusion is somewhat understandable. They did have different graphics in the original games, though.

[BeholdThePowerOfNod]

Originally posted by Panic Fire:

Originally posted by ThatWasLeftHanded:

The whole C&C timeline is intertwined within itself.There is a YouTube video by NoStringsPrd that dives into the Red Alert timeline and how it relates to the Tiberium Timeline.

Video:
https://youtu.be/ZmP__MTS8PQ

There's even another video by the same person:
https://youtu.be/zHAgZ-HfhSU

Again just fan theory.

The current lore, is that Tiberian timeline and the Red Alert Timelines are completely seperate. Until they make a game that unifies those timelines this is the current lore.

They did, it's called Command and Conquer: Red Alert.

[Cat]

Originally posted by Nebukadnezar:

I still generally accept the soviet campaign as canon to the tiberium universe.

You can accept whatever you want if you like it as long as the official "canon" doesn't contradicts it. Westwood had tons of ideas about the future of TD which didn't really make it into the sequel games and I can simply claim it's "canon" because why not. Some of the cut ideas were better than what we got in the official C&C4 story.

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Originally posted by Cat:

Originally posted by Nebukadnezar:

I still generally accept the soviet campaign as canon to the tiberium universe.

You can accept whatever you want if you like it as long as the official "canon" doesn't contradicts it. Westwood had tons of ideas about the future of TD which didn't really make it into the sequel games and I can simply claim it's "canon" because why not. Some of the cut ideas were better than what we got in the official C&C4 story.

C&C 4 is generally hated.