Red Dead Redemption 2

Red Dead Redemption 2

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Max Steiner Jan 3, 2020 @ 10:23am
Unbelivable weak crime/honor system.
Need I say more? Jeez! A guy shoots at me and i kill him, I get a bounty, AND i get a dip in honor!? I dont get it. Im trying to get top honor but to get that, i think i have to have no guns and no pants.
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Eminem Jan 3, 2020 @ 11:42am 
why did he shoot you?....then you kill him...then complain about a bounty and losing honor...

WOW!!!
Last edited by Eminem; Jan 3, 2020 @ 11:47am
Themightyred92 Jan 3, 2020 @ 1:31pm 
Originally posted by soge99:
why did he shoot you?....then you kill him...then complain about a bounty and losing honor...

WOW!!!

dont be such a fanboy and defend the game so much. the crime/honor system is really bad.
and yes ometimes people attack you for no reason..you just touch someone with your horse and they start shooting you
Eminem Jan 3, 2020 @ 1:47pm 
Originally posted by Themightyred92:
Originally posted by soge99:
why did he shoot you?....then you kill him...then complain about a bounty and losing honor...

WOW!!!

dont be such a fanboy and defend the game so much. the crime/honor system is really bad.
and yes ometimes people attack you for no reason..you just touch someone with your horse and they start shooting you

Agreed. Prefer to just not have it at all. Miss my Witcher 3 days when I could just loot all the houses and shop keeps as the NPC's just stood there like statues.
Last edited by Eminem; Jan 3, 2020 @ 1:47pm
Go0lden_Archer Jan 3, 2020 @ 3:10pm 
Yep its dumb. One thing when they react, another when they start shooting you because you're riding too close to them while all you do is feeding your horse and move slowly. Yep cowboy, let me just get shot because your an imbecil, then get bounty on my head because there's a wintess spawning behind that tree and lose honor because I was riding and didnt touched anyone.

Ooh and dont you forget van horn. Guy starts talking ♥♥♥♥ to you, then punches you for no reason and half a minute later whole damn town is shooting at you.
Doom Jan 3, 2020 @ 11:38pm 
Originally posted by Max Steiner:
Need I say more? Jeez! A guy shoots at me and i kill him, I get a bounty, AND i get a dip in honor!? I dont get it. Im trying to get top honor but to get that, i think i have to have no guns and no pants.
I believe all npcs are simply internally marked as "honorable to kill" or "dishonorable to kill". You are free to kill bandits and I think lawmen/soldiers. Civilians are "dishonorable to kill", meaning you get honor penalty regardless of circumstances. Also it is dishonorable to loot corpses of "strangers".

You probably managed to tick off a civilian.
Panic Fire Jan 4, 2020 @ 12:05am 
Its not very hard to get top honor, just take care of your horse, keep brushing and feeding it and calming it down. Just being nice to your horse gives you so much "honor" it feels broken and actually makes it hard to go low honor. Killing, looting, and the such really doesn't impact your honor in a noticble way unless you are gunning down 100's of civilians.
McKnuckles Jan 4, 2020 @ 12:15am 
Outside of purposely killing every npc you ever come across and always staying wanted (while never hunting or caring for your horse), I don't see how you can even really drop your honor. Any basic things like taking care of your horse or hunting seems to give you so much honor you can't even really drop it if you even wanted to.
Panic Fire Jan 4, 2020 @ 12:27am 
Originally posted by McKnuckles:
Outside of purposely killing every npc you ever come across and always staying wanted (while never hunting or caring for your horse), I don't see how you can even really drop your honor. Any basic things like taking care of your horse or hunting seems to give you so much honor you can't even really drop it if you even wanted to.

Yep, I spent probably an hour killing npc's over and over again to drop my honor low enough to do the outlaw missions for RDO story missions. And just doing horse maintance twice put me back in honorable status.
Voden Jan 4, 2020 @ 12:29am 
Originally posted by Panic Fire:
just doing horse maintance twice put me back in honorable status.

Yeah, that's the only problem with trying to keep low honor. There are far too many things that give you positive honor. Just skinning/collecting animals gives you honor for being "resourceful". Cut that out and the honor bump from feeding/brushing your horse, and then I think it'd be about the same amount of effort to gain honor as it is to lose it (but probably still a bit lopsided).
Panic Fire Jan 4, 2020 @ 2:57am 
Originally posted by ZERO KAY PER CENT:
Originally posted by Max Steiner:
Need I say more? Jeez! A guy shoots at me and i kill him, I get a bounty, AND i get a dip in honor!? I dont get it. Im trying to get top honor but to get that, i think i have to have no guns and no pants.
Unlock all High Honor story missions and beat them, then dip in Negative Honor forever

Wish I could, but I brush my horse so I'm stuck in high honor forever. Staying low honor is frankly to time consuming for my taste.
stecph Jan 4, 2020 @ 3:00am 
Originally posted by soge99:
why did he shoot you?....then you kill him...then complain about a bounty and losing honor...

WOW!!!

What's the point of your statement???

The honor mechanic is clearly flawed,at the very least it is unpolished, what are you arguing about?

If a guy shoots me first, I should not be the one accounted for...but that is what has happened to me every time I got shot.

But as the system is flawed, I can get away with 0 consequences....does this mechanic seem ok to you?
Humble Jan 4, 2020 @ 3:51am 
Do shooter try to miss a shot but make you think they was planning to kill you but they didn't and try get you dishonorable by kill them because they wasn't plan to kill you but shoot you by miss?
MeatShake Jan 4, 2020 @ 4:11am 
Originally posted by stecph:
Originally posted by soge99:
why did he shoot you?....then you kill him...then complain about a bounty and losing honor...

WOW!!!

What's the point of your statement???

The honor mechanic is clearly flawed,at the very least it is unpolished, what are you arguing about?

If a guy shoots me first, I should not be the one accounted for...but that is what has happened to me every time I got shot.

But as the system is flawed, I can get away with 0 consequences....does this mechanic seem ok to you?

I dunno about you but most times you antagonize people they're pretty justified. They're on their own and some nutjob's rubbing his horse against his repeatedly and not leaving.

The only fault is that online characters are dumb mutes just like GTAV so you can't use the defuse option singleplayer has afaik. If you don't want civs attacking you then be conscious of your surrounds... like an honorable person.
chksix Jan 4, 2020 @ 5:44am 
You can defuse in SP but it’s awkward and no time before it times out
Max Steiner Jan 6, 2020 @ 6:56am 
It sort of hit and miss this crime system. Its a game that is really nice to roleplay. Especially when im out in "the wilderness" Its getting dark and I spot a campfire. I ride to the camp and if the guy tells me to bugger of, I do (unless im drunk. Then its a whole different story, lol) The ting is, I can be spotted killing some dude out in the middle of nowhere (this is story mode) Evan if I dont have a choice, and Arthur Morgan gets a bounty unless I kill that witness, whitch can be spotted by some other guy so I have to kill him, whitch being spotted by some other guy... and you see where im going with this. Apperantly EVERYBODY knows Arthur Morgan.

Rob someone in the darkes allyway in the history of dark allyways, they will know its you, Arthur Morgan and put a bounty on you. Use a mask you say? Mask schmask. Works "sometimes".
I get it, I do. Behave like a douche and expect to get shot but jeez! What about the absolutly infuriating mecanics of "jump to horse" when you are passing someone on horseback? out in the wild, no problem. You just stear away. In the narrow streets of Saint Denis? Not so much. Iv gotten myself into some hillarious situations cos i had to "spur" my horse so hard to get out of that "jump to horse" bulls#¤% that my horse catapults forward, straint into a carrige or som haplesss pedestrian crossing the streets, causing instant pandemonum.

What im saying is that this system feels unfair. Rigged agains the player. Puts a dent in the fun. Its not stopping me from enjoying this game. I havent had this much fun since Witcher 3. But, I think it is important to point this things out.
Last edited by Max Steiner; Jan 6, 2020 @ 7:04am
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Date Posted: Jan 3, 2020 @ 10:23am
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