Caustic is useless now

[Brad]

I could understand caustic getting a small nerf, but not the massive nerf he got. Gas is completely useless now, it's not even a deterrent. I've had a dozen games today where squads just push right past my gas because they can see through it just fine and it deals no meaningful damage.

If the gas doesn't deal meaningful damage then there's very little left to deter players from just tanking the damage and getting a movement penalty.

[Brad]

Publicado originalmente por Jalajil:

He's not completely balanced yet... If you want to do some damage then shoot them and use grenades while they are inside caustic fart gas instead of camping and killing people with caustic gas, That's the real skills and fun...

Problem is that people don't/didn't stay in the gas before because of how bad it was. And that was the point, It was a deterrent, weakening his gas so much has completely changed the his playstyle

[76561198859289532]

Keep the changes and nerf all the other abilities that does aoe damage. Caustic is a good start because his kit is mostly damage, now let's get that Gibby ult a big fat nerf along with a slight nerf to Bang and Crypto ults.

[Brad]

Publicado originalmente por kRazyyoN.™:

always love to see u crying no-skill kids about that minor dmg nerf :D what is wrong with u....
i still see caustics only camping like crazy and spamming their farts. there is no difference at all, but hey, pro tipp - how about getting skill and shoot ppl? since this is a.... first person shooter.

Ok, let's remove all tacticals and ultimates since "iT'S JuSt a sHoOtInG GaMe". No it's not, this game revolves around legends and their varying abilities, If you want a cookie cutter fps then go play cod.

Camping players are the easiest squads to wipe because this game is all about movement, If you're dying to a camping caustic because you don't know how to push a building with traps that's your fault, not mine.

[Sunset.F Breaker]

Publicado originalmente por Brad:

Publicado originalmente por kRazyyoN.™:

always love to see u crying no-skill kids about that minor dmg nerf :D what is wrong with u....
i still see caustics only camping like crazy and spamming their farts. there is no difference at all, but hey, pro tipp - how about getting skill and shoot ppl? since this is a.... first person shooter.

Ok, let's remove all tacticals and ultimates since "iT'S JuSt a sHoOtInG GaMe". No it's not, this game revolves around legends and their varying abilities, If you want a cookie cutter fps then go play cod.

Camping players are the easiest squads to wipe because this game is all about movement, If you're dying to a camping caustic because you don't know how to push a building with traps that's your fault, not mine.

and that's the reason why rampart sucks, like, what they were thinking when they made a legend that's so stationary?

[Lazerhosen]

Before the nerfs, Caustic was easy mode for campers, and a nightmare to face when played by good players. Most of the nerfs were needed, but I agree that the stun/blind effect when first entering the gas could have stayed. Worst part about the Caustic nerfs is what they did to the opacity of Bangalore's smoke. She's the most balanced legend (P.S: escaping her ult is pretty easy to do), and now she's much weaker. The latest hotfix patch fixed like everything but this.

[Sunset.F Breaker]

Publicado originalmente por Lazerhosen:

Before the nerfs, Caustic was easy mode for campers, and a nightmare to face when played by good players. Most of the nerfs were needed, but I agree that the stun/blind effect when first entering the gas could have stayed. Worst part about the Caustic nerfs is what they did to the opacity of Bangalore's smoke. She's the most balanced legend (P.S: escaping her ult is pretty easy to do), and now she's much weaker. The latest hotfix patch fixed like everything but this.

the bangalore thnig is actually a bug lmao

[Memag]

Publicado originalmente por kRazyyoN.™:

always love to see u crying no-skill kids about that minor dmg nerf :D what is wrong with u....
i still see caustics only camping like crazy and spamming their farts. there is no difference at all, but hey, pro tipp - how about getting skill and shoot ppl? since this is a.... first person shooter.

Are you a pro?

[spring daddy]

Publicado originalmente por Haaton in denial:

Keep the changes and nerf all the other abilities that does aoe damage. Caustic is a good start because his kit is mostly damage, now let's get that Gibby ult a big fat nerf along with a slight nerf to Bang and Crypto ults.

I- I must have read this wrong. Did you just suggest... we should NERF Crypto? I can't even right now

[Kenneth]

this thread shows how much of a crutch this character's abilities were. No other character had abilities to his power level. Caustic could rely solely on his gas to do work, never needing to fire an actual gun until the very end. No other character could rely this heavily on their abilities.

The issue with his gas is that it had way too much utility. It goes as follows:

1. Significant, increasing damage values
2. A slowing effect
3. Zoning other teams out of buildings
4. Couldn't see through it, making it also a SMOKE not an actual gas
5. Major stall tactic, made end game an absolute snoozefest
6. No counterplay, he can easily hide his traps and put them at angles where they cannot be shut down, forcing you to shoot and trigger them

The truth is, that's far too much strength for such a simple tool, add in the fact you could place 6? traps at once with a grenade to boot. There's no way yall could argue against how easy and OP his gas actually was. If it took skill, it wouldn't be so bad. That's not it however. Place and go, that's it.

Most teams running a Caustic that I seen would never take fights. They'd hunker down, sit there, and wait to 3rd party before they moved.....if at all. Final circles with how his gas was was some of the most stupid ♥♥♥♥ in the game seeing as how most late circles always had at least one building in it.

Gas is just that, GAS. Not to be confused with SMOKE. They can give his damage back, but the density needs to be where it is now. Like I said, most of you were carried by this character and it shows. If you shot well with your actual weapon, this wouldn't even be a thing we'd be talking about. Abilities are supposed to compliment your shooting game, not be the sole purpose of Caustic existing.

I mean it slows people to a crawl, making it extremely easy to hose people down. Are you just not happy that you have to actually try to take fights now? Cuz before, you Caustic teams didn't seem like you wanted to shoot anyone at all in my experience. Hunker in a building and just wait.

[spring daddy]

Publicado originalmente por Kenneth:

this thread shows how much of a crutch this character's abilities were. No other character had abilities to his power level. Caustic could rely solely on his gas to do work, never needing to fire an actual gun until the very end. No other character could rely this heavily on their abilities.

The issue with his gas is that it had way too much utility. It goes as follows:

1. Significant, increasing damage values
2. A slowing effect
3. Zoning other teams out of buildings
4. Couldn't see through it, making it also a SMOKE not an actual gas
5. Major stall tactic, made end game an absolute snoozefest
6. No counterplay, he can easily hide his traps and put them at angles where they cannot be shut down, forcing you to shoot and trigger them

The truth is, that's far too much strength for such a simple tool, add in the fact you could place 6? traps at once with a grenade to boot. There's no way yall could argue against how easy and OP his gas actually was. If it took skill, it wouldn't be so bad. That's not it however. Place and go, that's it.

Most teams running a Caustic that I seen would never take fights. They'd hunker down, sit there, and wait to 3rd party before they moved.....if at all. Final circles with how his gas was was some of the most stupid ♥♥♥♥ in the game seeing as how most late circles always had at least one building in it.

Gas is just that, GAS. Not to be confused with SMOKE. They can give his damage back, but the density needs to be where it is now. Like I said, most of you were carried by this character and it shows. If you shot well with your actual weapon, this wouldn't even be a thing we'd be talking about. Abilities are supposed to compliment your shooting game, not be the sole purpose of Caustic existing.

I mean it slows people to a crawl, making it extremely easy to hose people down. Are you just not happy that you have to actually try to take fights now? Cuz before, you Caustic teams didn't seem like you wanted to shoot anyone at all in my experience. Hunker in a building and just wait.

"Most of you were carried by this character and it shows."
How, pray-tell, does it show? Is it because people don't want him to be a useless character? Most of us agree the nerf was needed, just not to such an extent. I agree that Caustics are annoying to play against, but if you used problem solving skills or critical thinking to ANY degree, then he's easy to out-manuver. And I'd like you to know I DO shoot well with my weapon, thanks.

[Muriel]

Publicado originalmente por Brad:

Publicado originalmente por tigresa vip:

maybe try shooting people, y'know, it's a fps game afterall.

ah yes, may as well get rid of all grenades and ultimates/abilities so people can "shoot each other" smh

caustic kit is the only one in this game that deals constant damage to people... so?

[76561198859289532]

Publicado originalmente por A Fury:

Publicado originalmente por Haaton in denial:

Keep the changes and nerf all the other abilities that does aoe damage. Caustic is a good start because his kit is mostly damage, now let's get that Gibby ult a big fat nerf along with a slight nerf to Bang and Crypto ults.

I- I must have read this wrong. Did you just suggest... we should NERF Crypto? I can't even right now

Crypto is actually broken when played by an organized team. The amount of info Crypto provides is so broken considering he can do it all behind cover. He can respawn teammates, scan beacons and scout a huge area all while keeping himself safe.

Remember last season when Revenant was actually good but people were sleeping on him? I think that's happening with Crypto rn, in high elo ofc.. he's still terrible for solo queue or pubs.

[Haunted Magnetar]

Publicado originalmente por tigresa vip:

maybe try shooting people, y'know, it's a fps game afterall.

That would be a fine response... If characters didn't have: Role specifications, differing hitboxes, and some just having flat out mobility skills.
So when you play Octane, or Gib, do you turn off your gunshield? Or avoid using the sprint? How about the passive healing?

[Haunted Magnetar]

Publicado originalmente por Haaton in denial:

Publicado originalmente por A Fury:

I- I must have read this wrong. Did you just suggest... we should NERF Crypto? I can't even right now

Crypto is actually broken when played by an organized team. The amount of info Crypto provides is so broken considering he can do it all behind cover. He can respawn teammates, scan beacons and scout a huge area all while keeping himself safe.

Remember last season when Revenant was actually good but people were sleeping on him? I think that's happening with Crypto rn, in high elo ofc.. he's still terrible for solo queue or pubs.

I don't know man, I've been using crypto recently, he's an insane support, even in solo. You can turn idiots into monsters. Lifeline is who you need to avoid outside of an organised team.

[bunnyzooka]

Caustic was over-nerfed, but did need a nerf. The problem here is that even if it is easy to gun people down in his gas, there is no area control and zoning potential anymore. There is no true punishment for going in his gas, and even now getting gassed doesn’t stop you aiming which means you can shred the caustic.